White Flag - TM2020

[CheekyTeeky]

Gobbles why do you think FF is town?

[gobbledygook]

I felt townie vibes from his emotional outbursts earlier in the game. Plus, I think the way he was a major wagon the fist day and then NSG tried to self preservation wagon him makes him town. I also feel like scumFish doesn't kill the people that died.

[BBmolla]

The reason my gobbles interactions seem sparse is I have a soft spot for Gobbs so they always seem Town to me.

[Auro]

Was wondering why Molla would ask Gobbles to do graphs in the game thread and not the scum PT

@Mod: the setup page says PT's only for night, is that true here?

[Auro]

You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located [REDACTED], where you may talk at any time.

Nevermind. Hm.

[gobbledygook]

<3 mason buddy

I find it interesting that Auro is fixated on me and my activity but is giving Dong a pass for his

[gobbledygook]

I’m not going to do graphs this game. On top of everything I’ve said, you people have a stupid number of posts each.

[BBmolla]

I mean that’s fair I guess. Saddens me tho.

[Auro]

<3 mason buddy

I find it interesting that Auro is fixated on me and my activity but is giving Dong a pass for his

Standard of play from meta

@Mod I wonder why scum have daytalk when history shows a high win% for the setup without daytalk. Daytalk helps scum a lot.

[gobbledygook]

How do you get that I am playing better than the Black versus White game?

[gobbledygook]

Or Zen?

[gobbledygook]

I am not playing better*

[Auro]

Effort, tone, attitude towards scumreads, strength of positions blah blah

I can replace out if she wants her slot back. No harm no foul

You missed the obvious pun here :O

[gobbledygook]

I’ve literally been efforting this entire day.

[Auro]

Gobbles can you do some graphs

Gobbles what the fuck are you doing dude

godfuck

Gobbles do your posting frequency thing

look how fucking many posts we have

if you're scum lie to me about the results I don't fucking care but I want to see them graphs

-snip-

gobbles why haven't you graphed

BBmolla, you’re scumreading me for my post count?

Graphs gobbles!

Gobby can you graph

Hm. Although if daytalk is there this wouldn't really mean anything.

[Dannflor]

wow it's incredibly frustrated to see Cheeky be so conf biased that she scum reads Auro for not answering a question he answered 5 times

[Dannflor]

Auro, I think BB is... pretty obviously town? And I'll try to explain that here

but also I need you to go into Dong way more

like... I'm seriously worried you're TMIing his alignment if you're not scum with him because I don't understand your turn on that slot at all

[Dannflor]

Dongempire's reaction to the fakehammer seems to come from town over scum knowing it was a fakehammer. He isn't bothering a lot about his own lynch. He's angry that I said Molla will hammer me, and that comes from town.

like this specifically

[Auro]

You go first, explain BB obvtown.

My turn on his slot is primarily from looking at how every other slot is ready to lynch him. Give me a viable partner. FormerFish's behavior isn't like a scum partner. He'd be attacking someone more intensely. His "gambit" hasn't *really* paid off wrt a Dong lynch

[Auro]

Dongempire's reaction to the fakehammer seems to come from town over scum knowing it was a fakehammer. He isn't bothering a lot about his own lynch. He's angry that I said Molla will hammer me, and that comes from town.

like this specifically

Yes, what about it? Dong seems less interested in fighting a lynch off, and instead there's anger at me. He's been accused of being scum with me and then... Continues to attack me?

[Auro]

I'll flip it. Look at the gamestate. If you believe I'm town then the only viable partner for Dong is FF and that too seems super weak from their combined play; this automatically makes Gobbles, or even FF a superior lynch. Given fmpov I'm town, you should understand the turn on the slot *from me*.

[Dannflor]

A lot of it comes from the fact that BB has been a consistent voice of reason this day phase, not unlike you. Unlike Dong/FF, he's not just jumping on the easiest wagon but actually defending his reads against the typhoons that are me/you/Cheeky. His progression on Cheeky today was especially natural imo and mirrored my thoughts exactly.

I also think a BB/Gobble team is unlikely... which I know you'll hate hearing me say. Not impossible, just like... unlikely. In fact the only team I'd really be worried about with BB in it is BB/Cheeky. But I've kind of established at this point that if Cheeky is scum I'll just lose to her.

I'm trying to search for more reasons beyond *gut*, because I know you want more than that. But I think it's really hard for me to even consider him as scum (and the same goes for you to some extent) when almost every other slot has been either unreasonable or utilizing moon logic to justify their pushes. I don't think his solve of Dong/Auro is necessarily *bad*. I still think you're very independently townie but I understand where it comes from because of how much your turn on him threw me. In fact, I think his commitment to Dong when you've been a ready lynch this whole day phase is a generally good look, because I think Dong is ultimately the easier lynch in LyLo than you.

[Dannflor]

I'll flip it. Look at the gamestate. If you believe I'm town then the only viable partner for Dong is FF and that too seems super weak from their combined play; this automatically makes Gobbles, or even FF a superior lynch. Given fmpov I'm town, you should understand the turn on the slot *from me*.

Dong/Gobble is possible but I see your point

[Dannflor]

His defense of Gobbles in D2 was weird af, please re-read the posts. That's not the usual area where Molla gets emotional. He doesn't give that much of a shit if a townread of his is being wagoned on D2 *after* a scum lynch. Consider the counter hypothetical. Would he care if his partner was being wagoned to death? No shit? Obviously he'd have to come in and defend his partner - there was too much momentum to start an attack elsewhere. The AtE in those pages is extreme. He asks to be lynched instead because town is so shit. Yet, he acknowledges that there are valid points for scum Gob. He admits his read of Gob is from "gut" from a few posts.

I'll do this in a little bit btw

I remember this differently from how you describe so maybe I need to re-vet here

[Auro]

Dann, think about it. Being a "voice of reason" among the other townies is incredibly easy. Assuming that he'd simply jump on the simplest lynch wagons today is wayyyy too less of a standard for him. His progression on Cheeky is fine. His progression on me is pretty bad.

I need reasons behind gut against a Molla/Gob team, Dann.