Mini 617 - Scottish Mafia, Game Over

[Empking]

Mod:

If You can anwer this. Would the cop get a result of no result if his victim was killed?

(I used "the cop" so the mod wouldn't not answer the question for fear of confirming me.)[/quote]

Lowell: You hadn't mentioned that in the quote.

[Lowell]

No, like you, I heard it from the mod. Any real questions?

[massive]

Lowell:

It would be my expectation, at the very least, that the mod would say "Well, duh, look in the thread, he was town." It seems like the mod instead went out of her way to get Empking a result that indicated ... something else.

So let's suppose that your assumption is correct, that there is no Mafia roleblocker, for the moment, and go back to your original suspicions in post 408. Obviously this is in reference to q21, who you are voting for. Do you still believe that he is pushing the idea of a godfather?

[Lowell]

Well he hasn't posted as much recently, but yes.

All talk about a "godfather" does is plant the seed of "we can't necessarily trust cop investigations." He looks like someone who is worried the field will close around him and wants to be able to plausibly throw accusations at anyone and everyone he chooses.

[Mirth]

Lowell, you're an experienced player, so I dont get why youre willing to believe cop investigations as 100% reliable.

[starkmoon]

[col color=white]Player[col color=white]Votes[col color=white]Voting [col color=white]Lowell[col color=white]3[col color=white]Mirth, q21, empking [col color=white]q21[col color=white]2[col color=white]Lowell, rolfcopter

[col color=white]Not Voting : [col color=white] Cybele, massive CC09

8 alive, 5 to lynch.

As always, if there is a mistake, let me know.

[q21]

Well he hasn't posted as much recently, but yes.

All talk about a "godfather" does is plant the seed of "we can't necessarily trust cop investigations." He looks like someone who is worried the field will close around him and wants to be able to plausibly throw accusations at anyone and everyone he chooses.

Jees, you're taking a perfectly reasonable comment and blowing it up and acting like I was trying to push the idea that there must be a godfather on everyone.

[massive]

Mirth

: Which do you dislike more -- Lowell's adamant belief that our cop is 100%, or his belief that there's 100% no Mafia roleblocker?

[Lowell]

1) The cop may not be 100% reliable, but it's pointless to discuss alternatives. If he's not we'll deal with it later. Trying to frame the cop as ineffective, however, IS a problem, as it makes it increasingly likely he'll be vulnerable.

2) I don't care if there's a mafia roleblocker. I said I tend to believe there isn't one (if for no other reason than because I can't remember the last mini I played that had one), and that the mod just made a mistake in not reporting to the cop or the mod's policy is not to report on people who have died. We'll probably know by tomorrow either way.

[q21]

How are you certain that we'll know by tomorrow whether there's a roleblocker or not, what more will we have learned?

[q21]

Just reread your post Lowell, you said probably, not certainly. My bad, but still - what more are we likely to know by tomorrow?

[Mirth]

Mirth

: Which do you dislike more -- Lowell's adamant belief that our cop is 100%, or his belief that there's 100% no Mafia roleblocker?

I dislike both since he should know better than to make assumptions, but the second is a worse assumption to make.

Before I forget:

Mod: can we get a prod on Coheed?

Lowell: Where do you get the trying to frame the cop thing. Nobody is trying to do it. Why are you pulling things out of your bottom?

[Empking]

Just reread your post Lowell, you said probably, not certainly. My bad, but still - what more are we likely to know by tomorrow?

If I don't die and don't scry the mafia's target. We can see if I get a result.

[starkmoon]

Prodding CC09.

All details of each role are given in the PM.

[Empking]

Seeing that I just read my role PM and I'm in a real crisis about whether or not my results can be trusted to give us scum or not.

[CoheedCambria09]

ok I'm here

Just read this page and the whole "godfather" thing is pointless. If the scum have one then so be it, we'll have to catch that person through their playing style and not through cop investigations.

Mirth- your question to lowell about pulling the "frame the cop" this seems like a ploy to throw attention onto another person and away from himself.

Cop investigations- there never 100% unless your in a newbie game, then it is usually stated that cop has normal sanity, everywhere else their sanity could be anything. But until yuo figure out what sanity the cop is, you have to believe what they tell you because atleast its getting you somewhere.

Roleblocker- If we the town have both a cop(unconfirmed) and doc(who is confirmed) then it would probably be reasonable to think the mafia have a roleblocker. They may not but then again its just like the godfather, we'll have to go on play style and slip ups instead of the cop investigations (which would probly be roleblocked)

[Lowell]

Just reread your post Lowell, you said probably, not certainly. My bad, but still - what more are we likely to know by tomorrow?

Do you really want me to discuss potential scum strategy in the thread?

[Lowell]

^^^^ agree wholeheartedly with 440. Except the last part.

[Empking]

ok I'm here

Just read this page and the whole "godfather" thing is pointless. If the scum have one then so be it, we'll have to catch that person through their playing style and not through cop investigations.

Mirth- your question to lowell about pulling the "frame the cop" this seems like a ploy to throw attention onto another person and away from himself.

Away from Mirth?

Cop investigations- there never 100% unless your in a newbie game, then it is usually stated that cop has normal sanity, everywhere else their sanity could be anything. But until yuo figure out what sanity the cop is, you have to believe what they tell you because atleast its getting you somewhere.

Roleblocker- If we the town have both a cop(unconfirmed) and doc(who is confirmed) then it would probably be reasonable to think the mafia have a roleblocker. They may not but then again its just like the godfather, we'll have to go on play style and slip ups instead of the cop investigations (which would probly be roleblocked)

[CoheedCambria09]

no lowell was trying to throw it away from himself since he's under pressure right now.

[Empking]

Just wanted to make sure.

[CoheedCambria09]

ok, sorry for making it confusing.

[q21]

Just reread your post Lowell, you said probably, not certainly. My bad, but still - what more are we likely to know by tomorrow?

Do you really want me to discuss potential scum strategy in the thread?

If you think you'd be going deep into scum strategy then fair enough, don't talk about it. But if its something obvious I've missed then I'd like to hear it.

[Mirth]

I don't think we've covered scum strategy that isn't obviously. Coheed, what are you thoughts the alive players, whom do you suspect and why?

Mod: Sorry to bother again, but can we get a prod on Cyb now?

[Empking]

Isn't Cyb dead? Unless we're thinking of different ones.