Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

[Surye]

First, I'm male ;P

Second, your second post is built on a poor, single game meta, which Tar later pointed out is in fact useless. You also said he's playing to his town meta. Is he not playing his scum meta? You seem to over look this very important question. This defense is very weak.

Third, good job doing research on me, but I never made it into endgame in Realistic. This is a key point, because the dichotomy in this game is due to a series of observations that have setup this as the only likely path. In that game, it was early enough that MANY possibilities existed. If you look at what confirmed shaft.ed for me, and why I don't think MM/Tar makes sense, and why we think there are 2 left, then you see the reason for the either or. Your analysis v.s. my behavior in Realistic is far too simplistic.

And I don't like meta too much, and defending meta is even worse as there is no way to not WIFOM it often. Sure I bussed in Dynamite, but I didn't build a case.

[Surye]

Also, RE: Two factions. The NK's don't add up then, and the balance would be insane. I seriously discount two factions remaining.

[Surye]

And if you don't like my Dichotomy, what would you propose and scum pairings?

[Guardian]

TS was a town doctor.

[shaft.ed]

#1: You outguess the mod as a reason to vote MM, even thought he setup is intentionally Bastard Moddy. I say that it is bastard MDody because there is an FBI agent who presumably hunts down serial killers and a vig who has to kill everynight, making him, flavor wise, an SK-miller until he is lynched.

Actually no, if Xtoxm had investigated Gorrad then he would have gotten an innocent.

I'm still waiting for you to respond as to why you think Surye isn't the kind of player to bus that heavily.

It's a lot less the player and a lot more the situation. We were at a deadline lynch. It's quite likely that had Surye not pushed for Rosso he might not have been lynched. Granted I was suggesting him, I really didn't have a case beyond a bad feeling about his posts. If you read the situation there were other outs for scum in that situation much better than bus'ing.

In realistic mafia, where SUrye was town, she did not use false dichotomies "One of A/B is scum"

Please point out the false dichotomies. there are plenty of dichotomies here but I wouldn't call them false.

[Guardian]

In my extreme benevolence: deadline is about a week from now, give or take a few hours.

There will be no extensions. None. (!)

[Surye]

Thank you very much, this will give the replacements time to get their full bearings.

[shaft.ed]

In my extreme benevolence: deadline is about a week from now, give or take a few hours.

There will be no extensions. None. (!)

I think you're being too nice. We're really wasting our time.

[shaft.ed]

Surye and Skruffs, on a percentage scale how confident does the wording in your PM make you that your mason partner should be town? Just the wording.

[Surye]

Surye and Skruffs, on a percentage scale how confident does the wording in your PM make you that your mason partner should be town? Just the wording.

What's the point? I've already stated that I "think he's town, but don't know for sure" from the wording. I don't know how to apply a number to that. My guess is he'll lie about his wording, or you'll probably get the same thing.

[shaft.ed]

Allright, sorry to drag replacements into this, but seeing as nothing has changed any there's little new information being generated.

unvote vote: stark

[shaft.ed]

Can we get a Tar prod please?

[Surye]

Allright, sorry to drag replacements into this, but seeing as nothing has changed any there's little new information being generated.

unvote vote: stark

Agreed.

Unvote (if any), Vote: Stark

Already stated why he is the only play for today.

[shaft.ed]

I'll be very mad if you're scum Surye.

[Guardian]

Vote Count #46

stark[3] (Tarhalindur, shaft.ed, Surye)

Not Voting[2] (stark, Skruffs)

~~~

stark is lynched by a full majority.

stark

was a

goon

.

Deadline for night actions is 6 PM Saturday June 19. I may start day earlier if I get all the night actions in before that time

.

[Guardian]

Day 6 Starts

Day 6 has a deadline of ~1 week -- I will announce a definite date in a few days.

Tarhalindur was pistol-whipped to death.

Tarhalindur

was a

pro-town cop

.

3 alive, 2 to lynch.

[shaft.ed]

doctor?

OK guys make your cases.

[Surye]

My case is simple, PEG lurked to end-game, and contributed nothing. Skruffs came in, used a series of fallacies to try to invalidate our conclusion on the remaining scum possibilities, attacked me with extremely weak meta, defended PEG with even weaker meta, and wouldn't vote Stark because he was trying to setup the possibility that there could be an alternative to the false cop/mason scum pair we so clearly laid out.

doctor?

Looks like he fixed it, that would have been a really confusing outcome, haha.

[Surye]

vote: Skruffs

with full confidence.

[Skruffs]

Hello.
Well I believe I have been set up the bomb. If shat.ed doesn't hammer me then I will explain why Surye should be his vote, when he does. That she voted me from the get go means that she knows Shaft.ed isn't scum, but unless he's a godfather, he can't be scum anyways, I think, correct?

Surye is attacking PEG of lurking to endgame even though I pointed out how he doesn't do that as scum very much (I think I did), and she said I "wouldn't" vote Stark, even though I never said I wouldn't; I was trying to catch up on the game that I never really wanted to replace into but did so as a favor for Guardian. I am not caught up. His (yes, his, sorry) hammer on Stark was made at his first oppurtunity, even though in the post before he apparently had questions he wanted me to answer. He hammered because he felt that I would be an easy lynch the next day. That is not the reaason that I want shaft.ed to vote him, though.

I will lay out "THE CASE" against Surye and why his foolhardy recklessness (if it doesn't cost us the game with a shaft.ed hammer) is going to lead to his downfall. I have the next three days off after working about nine days straight, so I will have the baility to catch up and help win this.

[shaft.ed]

Skruffs while there's no rush we do have a finite deadline. You dont have to worry about me hammering prematurely, I had that opportunity yesterday.

I'll also give this game some rereading to decide, but Surye has already bus'd two scum if he is in fact mafia. I'm not seeing that as incredibly likely but it is plausible. Mostly worried about the Adel interactions D1 at this point in regards to Surye.

Skruffs could you answer my question about your PM, and on a scale of 0-100% how certain would you be that Surye should have been a pro-town mason. Keep in mind just from the wording of the PM alone.

[shaft.ed]

Skruffs could you answer my question about your PM, and on a scale of 0-100% how certain would you be that Surye should have been a pro-town mason. Keep in mind just from the wording of the PM alone.

[Surye]

I'm going to Comic-Con Thur-Sun, so I'll be likely V/LA for most of that time.

[shaft.ed]

Skruffs, just to let you know I'll be voting you tommorow if you don't answr my question.

Thanks

[Guardian]

Deadline will hit this time in 4 days.