Mini 639 - Sci-Fi/Fantasy Movie Mafia(Over!)

[Rishi]

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

[Rishi]

Yay bandwagon.

Unvote, Vote: Muerrto

For being a player in a game I'm modding.

[Rishi]

Since when have you been a BW person?

I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though.

[Rishi]

EBWOP: "I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. I don't usually jump on random ones. This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though."

[Rishi]

EBWOP: "I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. I don't usually jump on random ones. This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though."

unvote, vote: Rishi

How is the Muerrto-wagon different from any other random wagon?

You tell me. You started the wagon.

[Rishi]

I always thought it was a second vote on someone that was considered a BW.

Meh. Semantics.

My point is that Korts was the first to vote Muerrto and then he criticizes me for voting Muerrto. Doesn't that seem strange to you?

[Rishi]

I always thought it was a second vote on someone that was considered a BW.

Meh. Semantics.

My point is that Korts was the first to vote Muerrto and then he criticizes me for voting Muerrto. Doesn't that seem strange to you?

My vote was purely random. You however imply reason other than random, in this following quote:

EBWOP: "I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. I don't usually jump on random ones.

This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though."

There is an obvious difference.

What I'm wondering is how you could possibly under any circumstances read this as something other than a joke? What possible reason could I have for wanting to lynch Muerrto? (Other than OMGUS since his random vote landed on me.) You're inferring reasoning from "This Muerrto thing has possibilities"?

It's Page 2. You're awfully aggressive for it being so early in the game.

Unvote

FoS: Korts

[Rishi]

What I'm wondering is how you could possibly under any circumstances read this as something other than a joke? What possible reason could I have for wanting to lynch Muerrto? (Other than OMGUS since his random vote landed on me.) You're inferring reasoning from "This Muerrto thing has possibilities"?

You declare that you don't usually jump on random wagons. This implies something unusual here, which randomness isn't. Since it's not randomness, it must be some kind of proto- or pseudo-reason.

No, you see, that's part of the humor of the situation. I say that I don't do random things and then I do something completely random. It's a break from expectations.

Though judging from your location field and your signature, you obviously don't understand humor. So there's no point explaining it to you.

Vote: Korts

[Rishi]

My reason for my vote on you is that you are making a case out of something that isn't a case. You're claiming that I have some undisclosed reason for bandwagoning Muerrto. You are taking something said in the joking phase and using it as the basis for a serious vote. Is that scummy? Maybe. Maybe not. But I think you just volunteered yourself to be the first person to receive scrutiny.

I think people should point out apparent contradictions in the random phase in order to carve a path out of the random phase (which is the reason I occasionally drop super obvious scumtells in the random phase). However, it's just the basis for discussion. You seem to think that you've found scum, which you haven't. In fact, I hardly ever see scum drawing that much attention to themselves in the random phase.

Yes, I do realize the irony that I said scum don't draw attention to themselves early in the game, which is precisely what you're doing. But, you said yourself, it shouldn't matter how far into the game it is. I see something suspicious. I'm commenting on it.

I apologize for the personal attack. I didn't mean to cross the line.

[Rishi]

Rishi: Why would you purposely do something scummy to promote talks? Anyone can say opps my bad if caught in a lie so how do you expect people to believe you when you say anything later in the game?

Because the random stage allows such things. EVERYONE does scummy things in the random stage. (A vote without justification or with very thin justification is scummy.) Though my statements may have been slightly more extreme, they are still within the parameters of what is acceptable during the random stage. Go to almost ANY game and look at the first couple pages. You'll find scumtells left and right. But no one, except for the occasional newbie, uses these as a basis for lynching someone.

By your logic, how are we to trust anyone who ever places a random vote?

[Rishi]

But you said it twice Rishi. Korts voted me because my name means dead and I'm not dead, hence the LAL. Xtomx voted me because he tried to kill my invincible guy in the last game and bounced off, natch. You voted me supposedly 'random' and then stated twice a reason for it. If it's a joke, why reinforce it so much?

You have no idea the lengths that I will go to for what I think is a good joke. Most of the time other people don't necessarily find it funny, but, man, I keep myself amused quite a bit.

What "reason" do I have for voting you (which I'm no longer doing)? I haven't given any reasons that can be taken as a non-joke.

[Rishi]

I think that was the point of the move on you, you didn't HAVE a reason but you stated one, twice.

I'm not calling for your lynch or anything but you surely understand we don't your PM so why would you do something that's obv gonna make us distrust you?

You keep saying "twice." I'm not sure what, specifically, you're referring to.

As far as doing something that'll make you distrust me... whether you trust me or not is YOUR issue. It's not my intention to foster distrust. Whenever I see an experienced player doing something blatantly scummy, I usually think, "That's odd" and not "That's scummy."

But as far as why I'd do something to jumpstart the thread, it's fairly obvious. The random stage blows. Also, we effectively have a two-week deadline (since, after August 4, the day will end without warning). We don't have time to dither around.

[Rishi]

It's Page 2. You're awfully aggressive for it being so early in the game.

Unvote

FoS: Korts

Why is Korts wrong being aggressive then knowing there is a 2 week deadline?

There's a difference between directed aggression and jumping at shadows.

[Rishi]

Since when have you been a BW person?

I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though.

EBWOP: "I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon.

I don't usually jump on random ones.

This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though."

When you made this joke, what did your EBWOP (the part I've bolded) add to or quantify of the original post? It just looks odd, like it wasn't worth adding. Were you afraid that it might be taken the wrong way without this addition?

I edited the post because I dropped that sentence when I made the second post. The "though" doesn't make sense without the middle sentence.

I also want to hear from some of the people who are being quiet and those who haven't had a chance to post yet.

[Rishi]

Okay, since you guys apparently think that this thread needs more dead horse beating:

I am voting Korts for making a serious vote for something that was (I think) obviously said in jest. Hence, "jumping at shadows." It is not OMGUS, since not every reciprocal vote falls under that category. Do I think Korts is scum? Maybe. Maybe not. But I think this is worth probing.

I will also point out that Korts has exited from this argument and has not responded to farside's question directed at him. He has been posting, but has provided no content in his last couple posts.

[Rishi]

Well, Panz, as for my past experiences with you. I remember being in two games with you. One was one of my first games on the site, and so I think my playstyle has definitely changed since then. In the other game, I think I was scum. So I'm not sure either of those is an accurate reflection of the way that I play as town.

[Rishi]

@Panzerjager: Did you notice Fuzzy's joined date? Do you think newb have a reason to be a little slow or more uniformed then other players? Do you think his comments less or more scummy being a newb?

It's not a newbie game. Is that really a fair defense? For all we know, he could have played on another site or could be someone's alt.

By the way, I noticed that you're asking a lot of questions in this game, farside, but you're not giving a lot of opinions. I don't have anything specific that I want you to comment on at the moment, but it's something to watch.

I'll avoid the meta if you want, so I won't compare this to your playstyle in other games. I will point out, the controversy in this game all arose because *YOU* brought up the meta:

Since when have you been a BW person?

[Rishi]

unvote, vote: zoraster

other than a random vote, his only comment was about aggression being revealing of the aggressive player. Flying under the radar much?

Yeah. He hasn't provided any content.

What's weird is that normally I write off what seems like lurking (especially from players I've never heard of) to playstyle. But zoraster seems to be very active in his other games.

There some more meta for you, farside. :)

[Rishi]

What I don't understand is how you made that smiley simple text as opposed to a face like this: :)

I like text emoticons. I guess I'm old school.

[Rishi]

I don't like Zombie's post either. I think there is plenty to add in this game.

I would like to hear more from Gorrad (though I know he's busy with Comic-Con) and Xtoxm.

[Rishi]

Unvote, Vote: Zombieslayer54

For his half-

baked

game analysis with a wishy-washy opinion on pretty much everyone in the game.

Rule 4
-Cow

[Rishi]

Anything substantial, ZS?

QFT. Other than the fact that Panz is being aggressive (not unusual for him), I don't see that you have any specific points against him. Panz's aggressiveness is a null-tell for him.

Also, ZS, your original post didn't divide people into scum and town. You didn't clarify until later.

[Rishi]

Xtoxm is sending me scum vibes. Not sure why, but he just has that scummy feel about him.

Could be a scum tell, but then again, it could just as easily not be.

In the wishy-washy post that I pointed to, these are the only statements that you made that mention whether anyone is town or scum. And even these aren't very strong statements. You didn't say you felt anyone was town or scum until I pointed out how half-assed your post was.

[Rishi]

Well, jeez. Do I have to make two lists and put all the people in them to consider that dividing them into scum and town? I think saying "Oh, well, this person seems scum right now." or "Oh, well, this person seems town right now." is good enough of a divider.

The above post is in response to this.

[Rishi]

Oh no! I never used the specific words "Scum" or "Town" in my post! That OBVIOUSLY means that I never pointed out who I thought was scummy or townie!

:roll:

Being flippant does not help you.

[Rishi]

Cow's on an anti-profanity rampage.

I said I was serious

[Rishi]

Ok, we'll try an experiment.

Who here thinks mafia is a game about lying where everyone lies no matter what their role?

Who here thinks mafia is a game of deduction where you try to determine why people said what they did. What were their motivations in doing so. And where town DOESN'T LIE?

I caled you immature because you called me a punk a$$. Don't be immature and I won't call you as such. A spade's a spade man.

I'm not sure what this accomplishes other than fueling an argument that probably doesn't determine anyone's alignment.

[Rishi]

Well, jeez, it has.

I'm not sure how you keep slipping the word "jeez" past the censors.

[Rishi]

Welcome Darla.

Farside: My two scummiest are ZS and Panzer (oddly enough the vote count reflects this too). ZS is starting to scumhunt now so that's a good thing for him.

Yeah. ZS's last post was actually good. I guess I don't understand why he couldn't have done that when he was first starting to be pressured.

Also, Hi Darla.

[Rishi]

I need to look at everyone again. I think ZS comments to bare looking at, however I'm annoyed that 1) he waited till deadline call to say anything and 2) after repeately being asked to participate the only people he looks at are those who aren't offering anything themselves.

Right, and lurkers are easy targets. Also note that he was suspicious of a different set of people earlier.

I'm not sure that "I'm bad but he's worse!" is a good defense.

[Rishi]

No, i didn't. I didn't realize you had just voted because my response took more than 2 minutes to write.

Lynched by simul-post. I don't think I've seen that before.

[Rishi]

Ah. Excellent.

ZS - Claim, please?

[Rishi]

I too will be logging off in about an hour and won't be able to check in again by 11pm.

[Rishi]

Chewbacca, actually.

Oh no. He's using the Chewbacca defense.

[Rishi]

I don't want to try our luck with the deadline, but I think I believe his claim. I assume no one CCs a chewbaca claim? ;)

What about the claim makes you think it's not a safeclaim?

[Rishi]

Well, with the deadline pressure coming, ZS is in a lot of trouble right now. He was almost lynched, and I don't know how many more times town is going to risk a no lynch at night.

My point is that were he scum, he might be likely to fake a power role to at least last another night. Since this is a theme game, he could even fake one that would be very unlikely to be counterclaimed.

Instead, he claimed an unimaginative Chewbaca vanilla townie. This may just be a lack of imagination on his part.

Last, if he were scum and close to being lynched, he might as well try and get a counterclaim or someone to at least softclaim his role and out someone.

So that's why my first reaction is to believe him.

What I mean is how do we know that Chewbacca wasn't a safeclaim given to him by the mod? Your post didn't even address my question, because you just addressed why you believed the claim. Perhaps you were unfamiliar with the term "safeclaim."

Fakeclaiming a power role is kind of risky.