Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[farside]

look i dont like mastina but going after her for not going after nsg is not what you do here, go after her because her reads are bullshit and her entirely approach is bullshit and shes sticking to reads from page 1 that are extremely proscum but dont make sense

not because shes not voting nsg when nsg is clearly a terrible vote right now

I actually caught that from my read as well. I noted and asked her about her reads not changing.
I have a few issues I'm clearing up currently. The 2 players I mentioned before really need to be the ones to respond to what I'm asking before I can feel comfortable.

*sits and lets the waiting game begin*

[Trojan Horses]

I actually caught that from my read as well. I noted and asked her about her reads not changing.

Which reads of hers do you think should have changed?

[RadiantCowbells]

literally any of them

nsg obvtowned and the read hasnt changed, why?

[Trojan Horses]

apart from nsg?

[mastina]

People are just too hesitant to townread people for obviously towny shit.

Or maybe scum doesn't want that happening in this White Flag-ish game where PoEs can be brutal to them.

This, too.

But bombshell time.

In your game.

Which slots do you think are the ones who have been the most vocal in stopping the town cohesion, of stopping townreads, of trying to break townblocs?

You're quite correct in the analysis of, scum don't want people to get a townbloc going because PoE will be brutal to the scum.
So which slots in your game do you think have tried to break unity, to break the townbloc?
Do you think We Are Not Helping is dissolving town unity?
Do you think you are dissolving town unity?
Do you think Vecna is dissolving town unity?
Do you think SirCakez is dissolving town unity?
Do you think Baezu is dissolving town unity? (I'll answer this one, no, by virtue of her being too inactive and passive to do so.)
Do you think Lie Ren is dissolving town unity? (Same as Baezu above to be honest.)
I realize by this metric I also have to ask if you think the GIF slot has dissolved town unity and per the metric above, the answer is obvious (no), but honestly in my earlier readslist he probably should be above Shuichi anyway.

So in your game.
Do you think anyone could be trying to break town unity.
Other than Shuichi and RadiantCowbells?

[RadiantCowbells]

like it is factually true that there is no path to a win where nsg and rc are both town for scum in this game that doesnt involve trying to call us scum

nsg is no longer in her scum range. mastina is still calling her scum

i pointed out at the very start of the game that it was an incredibly scum motivated play to go after both of us because we are both the single most likely person to prevent the others mislynch even outside of our general competency as players

so we have to ask ourselves at this point

is it more likely that mastina is completely oblivious to the fact that nsg is not in her scum range and that she is still sticking to the reads she had on page 1

or that mastina is sticking to her page 1 reads because she is scum and they are factually the most optimal reads to have as scum

[mastina]

People are just too hesitant to townread people for obviously towny shit.

Or maybe scum doesn't want that happening in this White Flag-ish game where PoEs can be brutal to them.

This, too.

But bombshell time.

In your game.

Which slots do you think are the ones who have been the most vocal in stopping the town cohesion, of stopping townreads, of trying to break townblocs?

You're quite correct in the analysis of, scum don't want people to get a townbloc going because PoE will be brutal to the scum.
So which slots in your game do you think have tried to break unity, to break the townbloc?
Do you think We Are Not Helping is dissolving town unity?
Do you think you are dissolving town unity?
Do you think Vecna is dissolving town unity?
Do you think SirCakez is dissolving town unity?
Do you think Baezu is dissolving town unity? (I'll answer this one, no, by virtue of her being too inactive and passive to do so.)
Do you think Lie Ren is dissolving town unity? (Same as Baezu above to be honest.)
I realize by this metric I also have to ask if you think the GIF slot has dissolved town unity and per the metric above, the answer is obvious (no), but honestly in my earlier readslist he probably should be above Shuichi anyway.

So in your game.
Do you think anyone could be trying to break town unity.
Other than Shuichi and RadiantCowbells?

To reiterate to you, Trojan Horses.
You hit the nail on the head, hit a smoking gun for your game.

Given this game's mechanics, scum are incentivized to try and break up town cohesion and prevent players from forming townreads on each other.

Given that scum are incentivized to try and break up town cohesion, then, you can analyze your game and look for the players who have broken town cohesion.

No player in your game has broken town cohesion more than RadiantCowbells

.
Ergo, RadiantCowbells is scum, because he is playing to the scum wincon of preventing town cohesion.

[RadiantCowbells]

she is even literally describing the game plan in thread

break up rc nsg

break up rc shuichi

etc

[Trojan Horses]

she is even literally describing the game plan in thread

break up rc nsg

break up rc shuichi

etc

this made me chuckle RC

@Mastina: keep reading lol

[We are not helping]

If I had 2 day vig shots, I'd shoot RC and mastina right about now.

And that would be the most pro-town move in this whole game.

-bitmap

[RadiantCowbells]

i didnt even immediately accuse mastina of being scum for it

i pointed out that it helps scum a lot and i let it be

but mastina cant still be doing it

i dont have a high opinion of mastina as a player but i have a high enough opinion to not think they still have their page 1 reads as town

[RadiantCowbells]

If I had 2 day vig shots, I'd shoot RC and mastina right about now.

And that would be the most pro-town move in this whole game.

-bitmap

fuck you

[mastina]

I hard townread Suichi btw and he is the person I feel the most in tune with in my game so not at all happy about him being wagoned.

EXPLAIN THIS. What are you in tune with? The posts about "oh this game is so unfun"
YOU LOVE THAT SHIT

Like.
Vecna is literally quoting an instance of RadiantCowbells doing precisely what you pointed out scum want to do, Trojan Horses--of dividing the town and preventing town cohesion and preventing the formation of a functional townbloc.

And yet.

For some magical mystical reason.

You still aren't backing me up that this is RC as scum.

RC this game has been incredibly manipulative and done nothing but continuously divide the town.
That isn't RC as town.
That. is RC as scum.

[Trojan Horses]

Ergo, RadiantCowbells is scum, because he is playing to the scum wincon of preventing town cohesion.

thing is, he's sorta been putting up a weak show about it
i expect town RC to go all in on scumreading us,

but

, wouldn't scum RC cause up a major stink about all of this to break up town cohesion if it threatened him?
like he's mildly asked Oka to help him (sheep onto Vecna I guess) and is pretty laid back

[mastina]

People townread it why?

Because RC is defending it.

[mastina]

I do not get your thoughts this game RC.

I think youre most likely town

, but I for the life of me, really cannot see a trajectory in your thoughts.

And there's your problem with understanding his thoughts. If you assume he is town, then you can't understand his thoughts, you can't see a trajectory to them.
If you assume he is scum, then his thoughts make perfect sense and there

is

a clear trajectory to them.

[We are not helping]

[RadiantCowbells]

And there's your problem with understanding his thoughts. If you assume he is town, then you can't understand his thoughts, you can't see a trajectory to them.
If you assume he is scum, then his thoughts make perfect sense and there is a clear trajectory to them.

This is also an impossible post to make as town. It is extremely common for people to not understand my reads as town and if anything I go out of my way to make my thought progressions more palatable as scum. Mastina never understands my reads as town. She cannot accuse me of this while playing honestly.

[mastina]

There still is this alternate reality where youre doing your scum masterpiece this game, then I come in here and lockscum your partner in -Shuichi or Lie Ren- and you have to fight me over it, but in a subtle way where you put me up as the D2-D3 lynch.

It's amazing that you come so close to the answer on RC and then don't have the magical, "hey, waaaaaait a sec..." realization on him.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I don't actually have a problem with this.
I would suggest the inclusion of SirCakez--you might note that my reason for townreading Vecna is pretty much identical to him. That while I know SirCakez has a strong scumgame and that it's been years since I played with him, that the overwhelming feeling that I get from his aura is that he is town.

With those four as town, who're the five left in the game?
{RC, Shuichi Saihara, Baezu, Lie Ren, GuyInFreezer}.

I can't think of a way this scumlist could be worse.

[mastina]

You really do not have any good reasons to townread both those slots.

Yeah, exactly.
Wonder why he is?

[Shuichi Saihara]

People are just too hesitant to townread people for obviously towny shit.

Or maybe scum doesn't want that happening in this White Flag-ish game where PoEs can be brutal to them.

This, too.

But bombshell time.

In your game.

Which slots do you think are the ones who have been the most vocal in stopping the town cohesion, of stopping townreads, of trying to break townblocs?

You're quite correct in the analysis of, scum don't want people to get a townbloc going because PoE will be brutal to the scum.
So which slots in your game do you think have tried to break unity, to break the townbloc?
Do you think We Are Not Helping is dissolving town unity?
Do you think you are dissolving town unity?
Do you think Vecna is dissolving town unity?
Do you think SirCakez is dissolving town unity?
Do you think Baezu is dissolving town unity? (I'll answer this one, no, by virtue of her being too inactive and passive to do so.)
Do you think Lie Ren is dissolving town unity? (Same as Baezu above to be honest.)
I realize by this metric I also have to ask if you think the GIF slot has dissolved town unity and per the metric above, the answer is obvious (no), but honestly in my earlier readslist he probably should be above Shuichi anyway.

So in your game.
Do you think anyone could be trying to break town unity.
Other than Shuichi and RadiantCowbells?

This is laughable. A majority of town are united on reads that oppose yours so you're pretending the opposite of what's happening is what's happening.

[northsidegal]

I'm trying to engage with her but she as well as NSG have avoiding conversing with me and I find it odd.

sorry, i haven't been meaning to ignore you at all. is there some question of yours that i missed?

as for what i got out of the fake hammer, not much. i was meaning to check over mastina's scumgames to see if she continued posting once she had been hammered in the past, but i haven't gotten around to it yet on account of being slightly busy.

[RadiantCowbells]

RC this game has been incredibly manipulative and done nothing but continuously divide the town.
That isn't RC as town.
That. is RC as scum.

And this is literally what she is doing.

RC, GIF, NSG is an insanely stacked town to go up against. While I am not townread by GIF and NSG because yay Im RC no one townreads me, I townread both of them and they both like each other. We also all like Shuichi, who while relatively ambivalent on Bernadetta likes the rest of us.
Thats a 3 person townblock in one game with NSG support in another game that also consists of extreme powerhouse players who are largely converging towards similar readslists.

Mastina is going in yelling and swearing like she did in 2018 TM with the same readslist that I pointed out was proscum in the first 10 pages to try and disrupt that, calling NSG scum and calling me scum to disrupt the fact that you cant accuse NSG of being scum in a game with me without also accusing me.
And she had this read in the very very early pages of the game. Before it was at all rational to scumread NSG for lurking, before it was at all rational to scumread me for trying to approach the game differently when I also approached TM differently and I have been acting not!usualself in nearly all of my recent towngames

My own townblock members may not support my own inclusions because spooky RC but I am going to claim myself as town regardless because I am town
So everyone in this game has a decision to make: do you think that 2 out of 9 chance of RC scum, 2 out of 9 chance of NSG scums, and Mastina somehow figured out that both of us were scum at the very start of the game and has never reneged on that read

thats 5% likelihood btw even if you consider Mastina true legendary goat queen of town players who never has a read long

or do you think that Mastina recognizes that she needs to disrupt the townblock, literally exactly what she is accusing me of doing, and is going after us before we can establish ourselves as consensus town and end this game extremely early

[mastina]

i really dont have anything to say to someone telling me my reads are all wrong and that their reads are better

That is exactly what you are doing, but without as much as discussing why.

Precisely.

He is doing the very thing he is accusing you of, but not providing reasons to back the reads.