Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[RadiantCowbells]

Nancy when will you have time to read the game then engage with me

That may take awhile. Anything you suggest in particular I look out for, keep in mind?

I still don’t get how we were ever your “ideal lynch” when Auro has been so obviously town?

At literally no point have you been my favorite lynch.

[Trojan Horses]

NSG hard townreads Suichi btw

Why are you calling me scum for not being completely submissive towards NSG on all her reads but pushing for votes on one of her townreads?

NSG, do you actually hard townread Sushi? I did not have that impression.

@RC re: me overriding her, yes, if NSG says don't pursue Sushi as he's hard town, I'll probably concede and sheep that! I'll probably debate it a bit with NSG first though but still

-Stuxnet

[SirCakez]

atm I believe TH is town who just is very aggressive in their pushes and takes a lot to reconsider. a la Gork
at least for whoever the head I've been primarily engaging with

[mastina]

for the record, regardless of my thoughts on the conclusion of "faking that analysis would or wouldn't be easy for me as scum", this doesn't seem like a valid logical analysis. you say regardless of my current alignment, but if i'm currently town then i fail to see how my lack of whatever you expect as an analysis has any bearing on my ability as scum.

It's simple, really.
If you were scum and the fake analysis were easy, you'd have given it.
If you're town and faking analysis as scum was easy, then it figures it'd be easy to produce for real as town.
There's no such analysis, so either you're scum and faking analysis isn't easy, or you're town and giving real analysis.

Bit irrelevant now since I'm townreading you now, butstill.

[Trojan Horses]

Shut up mastina

Could you and Mastina seriously NOT do this? It’s making the game unfun.

[Trojan Horses]

Cephrir is really good at scum

Cool - so what has he done exactly to merit a townread?

-Stuxnet

[Trojan Horses]

I would not b/c I think Vecna and Baezu are scummier and I don't see the scumcase for Shuichi atm.
Your latter sentence is true. How are you applying that to Vecna?

Would you do Lie Ren?

I have been directly asking you to give the day more time, no? I also got you to summarize the case on him; right now it's 6am here and I haven't slept yet, otherwise I'd have written about that already. Right now it's not urgent anyway.

Nah Kylo Ren isn't the D1 lynch

Agreed.

[SirCakez]

Cephrir is really good at scum

Cool - so what has he done exactly to merit a townread?

-Stuxnet

his early posts felt quite genuine
and I really like his engagements over the last ~20 pages - he's had exactly the same thoughts as me re;the mastina mess
but this is definitely one of my weaker TRs given his meta

[mastina]

So lets me get this straight. She claims wonderwall is scum, says jjh is a town read, barely gives him a day to come back and hammers him.

No?

I did say Wonderwall is scum.
I did say jjh was a townread. Past tense. Past tense.
And I voted him for not being town.

I didn't hammer him.
I voted him, yes, but I didn't hammer him. And I've since moved off, back to Wonderwall.

[Trojan Horses]

go to bed whoever posted that in TH!!!!!
P-edit: I want to stay on Vecna but I also want to be reasonable with TH :/

I pretty much just woke up. Why is Vecna scum? He seems super townie to me?

~N

[mastina]

Yeah I think mastina is scum regardless of flip

I think you're full of shit.

[Trojan Horses]

Nancy when will you have time to read the game then engage with me

That may take awhile. Anything you suggest in particular I look out for, keep in mind?

I still don’t get how we were ever your “ideal lynch” when Auro has been so obviously town?

At literally no point have you been my favorite lynch.

I thought you posted that? I may have misunderstood.

[SirCakez]

go to bed whoever posted that in TH!!!!!
P-edit: I want to stay on Vecna but I also want to be reasonable with TH :/

I pretty much just woke up. Why is Vecna scum? He seems super townie to me?

~N

I went over this earlier so quick summary - he fit some tell Molla has about scum immediately checking their own ISO, his catchup and subsequent posts seemed overtly concerned with getting votes off of him, his cases and posts have been bad (I called out some specific ones in my ISO)
And Jormun was really scummy but we all know that

[RadiantCowbells]

Shut up mastina

Could you and Mastina seriously NOT do this? It’s making the game unfun.

There's no we

I wanted to play this game in a very laid back manner and work with some of my favorite players of all time to solve the game and Mastina just quickhammered town and is doing her utmost to prevent me from being a townread. I'm killing scum. When she's gone I can approach the game differently.

[Trojan Horses]

his early posts felt quite genuine
and I really like his engagements over the last ~20 pages - he's had exactly the same thoughts as me re;the mastina mess

See, I feel like scum would also have the same thoughts, and even then this is such an easy thing to posture with. A lot of his gameplay seems to be that - commentary on the game/players without what I see is legitimate analysis.

-Stuxnet

[Trojan Horses]

atm I believe TH is town who just is very aggressive in their pushes and takes a lot to reconsider. a la Gork
at least for whoever the head I've been primarily engaging with

Stux/Auro, I generally prefer to townblock on D1.

~N

[mastina]

No way on god's green earth Mastina would not check a vc before hammering.

Well aside from the fact that I am in catchup mode, actively catching up and thus unaware of posts made past this point? Like, have zero knowledge of whatever 2789 is until I read it?
Aside from that VERY obvious 'yes way', there's also the fact that last vc had at most 2-3 votes on jjh.

Point me to a vc, while I was reading, that said jjh was at L-1.

...Can't find it?

...Exactly.

[Baezu]

Can I vote vecna now?

[SirCakez]

his early posts felt quite genuine
and I really like his engagements over the last ~20 pages - he's had exactly the same thoughts as me re;the mastina mess

See, I feel like scum would also have the same thoughts, and even then this is such an easy thing to posture with. A lot of his gameplay seems to be that - commentary on the game/players without what I see is legitimate analysis.

-Stuxnet

Can you point to some specific posts that show this?

[mastina]

Mastina quickhammers and tries to 1v1 me

RC selling the narrative that I in any way shape or form was aware of a possible hammer when it is painfully obvious that no, I am not working with perfect knowledge of what votes are where.

[Trojan Horses]

I went over this earlier so quick summary - he fit some tell Molla has about scum immediately checking their own ISO, his catchup and subsequent posts seemed overtly concerned with getting votes off of him, his cases and posts have been bad (I called out some specific ones in my ISO)
And Jormun was really scummy but we all know that

The Amished tell doesn't quite fit in this scenario, I think. How do you know he checked the ISO and not just the votecount on replacing in? And I think the applicability of this tell varies per player (as do all generic tells), Vecna doesn't seem the type to do that more likely as scum. His pride and repeated calling of his "freestyle streams" as being towny doesn't feel like a scum move, really.

And yes, he was explicitly concerned about getting off lynch. He stated he's salvaging the slot, no?

I concede that Joe Burger was scummy, although even there we don't have access to completed town games to see how his scum meta matches up.

Parts where I'd have to check your ISO, later

-Stuxnet

[Trojan Horses]

go to bed whoever posted that in TH!!!!!
P-edit: I want to stay on Vecna but I also want to be reasonable with TH :/

I pretty much just woke up. Why is Vecna scum? He seems super townie to me?

~N

I went over this earlier so quick summary - he fit some tell Molla has about scum immediately checking their own ISO, his catchup and subsequent posts seemed overtly concerned with getting votes off of him, his cases and posts have been bad (I called out some specific ones in my ISO)
And Jormun was really scummy but we all know that

I forgot about Jorman but based on my experience playing with Vecna, your reasons for sr Vecna I see as NIA.

[Baezu]

To be fair, it's also difficult for me to keep track of votes especially with all the cross-game votes

[mastina]

Who the fuck moved to lynch me when my last post was that I was gonna fully reread and be useful again within like 12 hours

Farside voted you and then Mastina lolhammered you despite you not being a scum read for her
Strange am I right

Sure would be strange if that was actually the truth!
What happened is that I said. Over. and over. "My townread on jjh is at this stage just faith in past-me to have been right, but he's making it harder and harder for me to hold onto that".
Over.
And over.
I can fucking quote these posts to show you that.
And one promise later that I had every reason to believe he'd break, I cast a vote on him--believing it to be L-3, L-2, or at the very worst, L-1.

That's something which makes a lot more sense, now, doesn't it?

[mastina]

Mastina's hammer was soooo bad
She has to go tomorrow

Mastina's hammer was not a hammer.