Mini 626 - Crew vs. Pigs - GAME OVER!!

[forbiddanlight]

I'm pretty sure that I, being the one who has no practical chance at victory, would have a much better value with words than you, who already displayed lots of flip flopping scum behaviour.

Nah, kingmaker is a viable choice. You have no chance of victory, but since you ARE aligned against town, you can still get second so to speak by fucking over the town hard. Fucking over the other cop team lacks this guarantee. I really think killing Cass is the best bet, and let the chips fall as they will. I'll kill Dark, he'll either kill me or fonz (I'd advise fonz to guard himself if he can, and whether you can or not, claim that you can), and the other scum group...well, we chance that. If we have 2 scum it'll be F3 with any luck and we'll win. Because I'll be confirmed through my shot.

[Matin]

Why me or goat? Just because he's scum with no way out doesn't mean he doesn't have the town's best interests at heart. If we lynch DD today, and he is En's partner, then you have to choose whether we chance me shooting someone or not. And then we have to figure out how the night actions will play out to determine who is scum. It ends up being my plan except making me look bad.

yes..I was working under the assumption that if DD is being honest about being Ennui's partner, he's likely being honest about everything. He's claiming cicero took away his NK immunity which if true, would indict you, and Fonz backed it up as possible (i wouldn't imagine it frankly)

[forbiddanlight]

Useless. We both know that if we let you live tomorrow it would prove that you're scum, but if we hit town today town will not have majority to vote you off.

Haha, what if you let me live tomorrow and there's a vig kill to show for it? The problem is, it has to be successful. If my shot fails due to bulletproof, we are fucked. And if my shot succeeds on town, we are fucked. Quite frankly, I actually gotta say that my plan only works if people are willing to trust me. They aren't, so lynching DD is a bad move since it leads to my death tomorrow. I know I'm a townie and that makes us lose.

[darkdude]

Nah, kingmaker is a viable choice. You have no chance of victory, but since you ARE aligned against town, you can still get second so to speak by fucking over the town hard. Fucking over the other cop team lacks this guarantee. I really think killing Cass is the best bet, and let the chips fall as they will. I'll kill Dark, he'll either kill me or fonz (I'd advise fonz to guard himself if he can, and whether you can or not, claim that you can), and the other scum group...well, we chance that. If we have 2 scum it'll be F3 with any luck and we'll win. Because I'll be confirmed through my shot.

Actually, I feel much more satisfied screwing you over cause you're so damn annoying.

[forbiddanlight]

yes..I was working under the assumption that if DD is being honest about being Ennui's partner, he's likely being honest about everything. He's claiming cicero took away his NK immunity which if true, would indict you, and Fonz backed it up as possible (i wouldn't imagine it frankly)

It's WIFOM. Mix truth with lies, and watch the town self destruct under your advice. I've been in a scum group with cicero before. In a game called Spies 5. Goat was also in it and can vouch for it. When you are scum in that extensive game (The whole forum is just that game, and you have alternate AIM accounts to talk to the other players on), you tend to get a bit of a measure for the attitude of your team mates. Cicero wouldn't do what DD is claiming. I honestly don't believe he would.

[forbiddanlight]

Actually, I feel much more satisfied screwing you over cause you're so damn annoying.

Which is admitting to screw town over. SEriously, if you want to realize what's annoying, it's having to defend CONFIRMED FUCKING SCUM ACCUSATIONS THAT THE FUCKING TOWN IS DUMB ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY BELIEVE JUST BECAUSE THE GUY IS POSSIBLY HONEST ABOUT ONE FACTOR. GOD this is such a clusterfuck.

[forbiddanlight]

If it wouldn't kill the town, I'd reveal my role PM now, a la Ennui just to get everyone (with the exception of Matin and possibly Goat when he weighs in) to get their heads out of their asses.

[darkdude]

Which is admitting to screw town over. SEriously, if you want to realize what's annoying, it's having to defend CONFIRMED FUCKING SCUM ACCUSATIONS THAT THE FUCKING TOWN IS DUMB ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY BELIEVE JUST BECAUSE THE GUY IS POSSIBLY HONEST ABOUT ONE FACTOR. GOD this is such a clusterfuck.

I personally think it's more likely that someone who's fucked over since the beginning such as myself, would find it much more satisfying if the other scum pair did not abuse the advantage and claim victory.

If you do believe I am Ennui's partner, that much should be clear.

[Goatrevolt]

Wow, 5 pages this morning? I'm reading through it all right now, but I want to note something.

Darkdude is obviously lying. The only way he'd know if both scum groups had the same abilities is if he was part of the non-Ennui scum team, so when he says he's Ennui's scum buddy, that's lie number one. Who's going to counterclaim him anyway? "Actually, I'm Ennui's scum buddy, hah, counterclaimed DD. What now!" If someone wants to step up to say that be my guest.

His story about him losing the bulletproof vest is a moving tale, but why are we taking the word of a guaranteed scum in order to incriminate forbiddanlight, who has been semi-confirmed by two separate accounts? This is madness.

Darkdude claims that he's only doing this because he's already lost and wants to help the town out. How truly altruistic of you DD, but somehow I don't buy it. I think he's simply pushing for a way to get me lynched so that his scum buddy can save him with a doc/RB ability tonight and he can win. I'll ask again, why are we believing the words of scum who is clearly still looking for anyway he can to win this game?

@Fonz, Matin: How do you feel about lynching Goat then? We can maybe tell FL to vig DD tonight to confirm herself? Eh, I just don't know anymore...

Lynching me is not the key to winning here, if you're town. Lynching me simply because darkdude, confirmed scum, is telling you to do so is definitely not the key to winning.

[Matin]

If it wouldn't kill the town, I'd reveal my role PM now, a la Ennui just to get everyone (with the exception of Matin and possibly Goat when he weighs in) to get their heads out of their asses.

Relax. I think the scum team is DD/Cass so I'm not thinking you are scum lol...

[forbiddanlight]

If you do believe I am Ennui's partner, that much should be clear.

I honestly am not sure what to believe. Between you and CAss, you aren't En's partner. But given your role mechanic, you are. (I don't buy both scum groups with BPVs and Watcher/Trackers. I expect some asymetrical roles here). Schroedinger's Scum here. Until we lynch you and open the box, we don't know what to do.

[cicero]

If it wouldn't kill the town, I'd reveal my role PM now, a la Ennui just to get everyone (with the exception of Matin and possibly Goat when he weighs in) to get their heads out of their asses.

Please don't even joke about this. I wouldn't invite anyone in this game into another game of mine if they did that and that would make me sad because you are all such good players.

Don't muck with the game's mechanism either in an attempt to be clever OR out of exasperation. Just don't.

[forbiddanlight]

Relax. I think the scum team is DD/Cass so I'm not thinking you are scum lol...

I know. I couldn't go through with it anyway. It's not to my teams advantage since we lose if I die (or any other townie). Even if we didn't lose, it'd be an assholish thing to do.

Lynching me is not the key to winning here, if you're town. Lynching me simply because darkdude, confirmed scum, is telling you to do so is definitely not the key to winning.

YAY! Intelligence. Sorry I allowed my apathy to get you to L-1. You might still be scum. I don't see Fonz, DD, and Cass as all scum. But Matin's recent action leads me to believe he's not likely scum. I personally think Cass running with DD's claim is very telling. She's the play.

[forbiddanlight]

Please don't even joke about this. I wouldn't invite anyone in this game into another game of mine if they did that and that would make me sad because you are all such good players.

Don't muck with the game's mechanism either in an attempt to be clever OR out of exasperation. Just don't.

I couldn't do it even if it wasn't fucking my team over. I was really pissed at that point that half the "town" was dumb enough (me included for a bit) to trust confirmed scum.

[forbiddanlight]

I do, however, apologize for even saying it. I wouldn't want to compromise a game like that.

[darkdude]

Why am I not at all surprised?

The only way now is to convince all the townies to go with me and lynch one of the scum pair.

[darkdude]

I was really pissed at that point that half the "town" was dumb enough (me included for a bit) to trust confirmed scum.

Contradiction. You didn't trust me at all, but you tried to bus Goat anyways thinking it would make you look better. Then when you saw that Matin wasn't buying me, you unvoted because without you bussing, I now have to convince all 3 of the town, as opposed to 2.

Unless Goat wishes to suicide of course...

Darkdude is obviously lying. The only way he'd know if both scum groups had the same abilities is if he was part of the non-Ennui scum team, so when he says he's Ennui's scum buddy, that's lie number one.

Wrong. Logic fail.

I'm the godfather, and I know the setup contains 2 teams of identical scum pairs. I am the GF and Ennui was the Tracker. You claimed tracker, which was a semi-fake claim because you're actually the scum tracker with FL as the GF.

[forbiddanlight]

Contradiction. You didn't trust me at all, but you tried to bus Goat anyways thinking it would make you look better. Then when you saw that Matin wasn't buying me, you unvoted because without you bussing, I now have to convince all 3 of the town, as opposed to 2.

No, actually, I was being a moron because I was already entertaining the idea that goat might be scum. The problem is, right now, I'm trying to follow any lynch to end this day. We have a 50% chance of hitting scum. Well, 40% if we discount you. I'm betting on that.

I'm the godfather, and I know the setup contains 2 teams of identical scum pairs. I am the GF and Ennui was the Tracker. You claimed tracker, which was a semi-fake claim because you're actually the scum tracker with FL as the GF.

Why should we believe this?

[forbiddanlight]

It's so patently obvious I'm the vig

I forgot, Fonz had that specification that he could protect non arrest kills. I.e, there is a vig. No one has counterclaimed me, nor has there been a vig dead.

Goat tracked me targeting you and wrecking your vest

Cass roleblocked me and my vig failed N1.

ALso, how the fuck do YOU move from saying your vest doesn't protect from shootings to your vest was taken away from cicero? You are such a liar.

[Goatrevolt]

Wrong. Logic fail.

I'm the godfather, and I know the setup contains 2 teams of identical scum pairs. I am the GF and Ennui was the Tracker. You claimed tracker, which was a semi-fake claim because you're actually the scum tracker with FL as the GF.

You miraculously know so much about the game's setup and the opposing scum team for being Ennui's partner. I don't buy it for a second.

This is nothing but a plea from dying scum to try to twist the outcome of the game into his favor one last time in hopes of winning. I seriously can't believe people are buying into this.

People would rather believe darkdude then forbiddanlight who has been confirmed in two separate ways? The town almost deserves to lose this game, seriously.

I'm going to go ahead and

Vote Cass

because I'm nearly certain she's DD's scum buddy at this point, trying to hammer home a mislynch on me to win based on DD's scum ramblings. I'm not seeing the pro-town motivation for that in the least bit.

[forbiddanlight]

People would rather believe darkdude then forbiddanlight who has been confirmed in two separate ways? The town almost deserves to lose this game, seriously.

3 ways. Can't forget Fonz's claim soft confirming me. Honestly, that's what completely breaks DD's case on me.

[Matin]

Gah.. I'm going to go ahead and hammer since FL and Goat seem a whole lot more innocent then DD and Cass do...

I'm pretty sure they're the team as well..

[Matin]

vote: Cass

[Goatrevolt]

I guess now we just have to cross our fingers and hope Cass is DD's buddy.

[forbiddanlight]

I guess now we just have to cross our fingers and hope Cass is DD's buddy.

Agreed. If Matin is scum, he deserved the win with the way he played that. Pre emptive congrats if we fucked up.