Mini 626 - Crew vs. Pigs - GAME OVER!!

[forbiddanlight]

No but you see, I thought Cass could only block the arrest if FL was chosen to make that arrest. It could have been Goat.

Or did I read wrong?

That's possible, which is why Cass wasn't enough, I agree. But the Fonz angle should have sold you.

[cicero]

Funny Darkdude because that was closer to my original idea

[Goatrevolt]

Yeah. I think 1 BPV per scumteam was balanced.

Like i said, with BPV all round, the vig is actually negative value for town.

Stoofer disagreed. Figured crosskills would have slanted it heavily in favor of town.

What might have worked, and it simply didn't occur to me until it was too late, was to have the vigilante be full strength and have the crosskills only affect arrests. But that also worried me in terms of giving town too much power. This was the compromise. Lots of roles that could block things and lots that could wear down the armor. I (and all the reviewers) thought crosskills in this would have really tilted the balance in favor of town.

There were no crosskills in this game, which I think may be skewing perception. The roleblocker was also a very poweful town role.

Despite no crosskills, the town was so close to winning. You were one vote away from lynching me and winning the game.

[The Fonz]

Take out the cop.

I mean, we figured it out without him...

[forbiddanlight]

So, either way, fun none the less. But next time I'm a vig, I wanna KILL SHIT!

[Goatrevolt]

Take out the cop.

I mean, we figured it out without him...

Then that also weakens the scum by making Matin/DD vanilla.

[LlamaFluff]

Yeah. I think 1 BPV per scumteam was balanced.

Like i said, with BPV all round, the vig is actually negative value for town.

Stoofer disagreed. Figured crosskills would have slanted it heavily in favor of town.

What might have worked, and it simply didn't occur to me until it was too late, was to have the vigilante be full strength and have the crosskills only affect arrests. But that also worried me in terms of giving town too much power. This was the compromise. Lots of roles that could block things and lots that could wear down the armor. I (and all the reviewers) thought crosskills in this would have really tilted the balance in favor of town.

Unfortuneatly in this scenario there were no crosskill attempts so anything that was put into plan that was done to eliminate crosskills gave scum a boost with vanilla-vanilla going N1 and vanilla-cop N2. Those two on their own required the rest of the players to play with a lot of ideal moves, especially from fonz and cass

[forbiddanlight]

Despite no crosskills, the town was so close to winning. You were one vote away from lynching me and winning the game.

Then darkie would have pressed the case on me. I would have been lynched after you were shown scum. There would be 2 kills that night unless Cass honestly thought I wasn't scum (not likely).

[darkdude]

That's possible, which is why Cass wasn't enough, I agree. But the Fonz angle should have sold you.

What, the part where he said he could also protect from shootings and not only arrests?

[forbiddanlight]

What, the part where he said he could also protect from shootings and not only arrests?

Yep. You can't say both Fonz AND Goat were my partners.

[Goatrevolt]

Despite no crosskills, the town was so close to winning. You were one vote away from lynching me and winning the game.

Then darkie would have pressed the case on me. I would have been lynched after you were shown scum. There would be 2 kills that night unless Cass honestly thought I wasn't scum (not likely).

how would darkie have pressed the case on me when he was dead from your vig shot?

You lynch me. You shoot DD, and Matin is the obvious lynch the next day.

[cicero]

There were very few blocked crosskills at least partly because 18th precinct played in a way that told 14th precinct exactly who they were.

[darkdude]

Then darkie would have pressed the case on me. I would have been lynched after you were shown scum. There would be 2 kills that night unless Cass honestly thought I wasn't scum (not likely).

He makes a good point though. That was very close for town if you think that there wasn't any crosskills in a game where there were supposed to be some.

[Goatrevolt]

There were very few blocked crosskills at least partly because 18th precinct played in a way that told 14th precinct exactly who they were.

Ennui made it obvious he was scum before I had seen my partner's role or even talked with him.

DD only was obvious as scum after I saw Matin's role and realized that DD claiming bulletproof as a 1-shot NK immune godfather was a decent idea.

We had a huge leg up on the other scum team, and tried to milk it for all it was worth.

[cicero]

There was supposed to be vests absorbing kills more than crosskills.

But yeah - at the end, even after all that town death, town still would have won if it had lynched goatrevolt instead of Cass.

[darkdude]

Yep. You can't say both Fonz AND Goat were my partners.

Only based on interpretation though. I mean by that logic I should have figured from my role PM there was a vig, you know, with the ninjutsu and all that. But I thought it was cicero's way or obscuring our guesses at possible factions just by looking at the flavour text.

[forbiddanlight]

how would darkie have pressed the case on me when he was dead from your vig shot?

You lynch me. You shoot DD, and Matin is the obvious lynch the next day.

I get roleblocked, or Fonz protects, I get lynched for some godforsaken reason being linked to you.

[darkdude]

DD only was obvious as scum after I saw Matin's role and realized that DD claiming bulletproof as a 1-shot NK immune godfather was a decent idea.

If Ennui survived better then I was planning for him to hunt down those who reacted scummy to my claim. But it didn't work out, obviously.

So do you guys think my claim was good or not?

[forbiddanlight]

Only based on interpretation though. I mean by that logic I should have figured from my role PM there was a vig, you know, with the ninjutsu and all that. But I thought it was cicero's way or obscuring our guesses at possible factions just by looking at the flavour text.

I claimed vig. No counterclaim. I'd been tracked (though he actually watched you), I'd been roleblocked, and it was pretty clear from my early certainty there was a vig that I was she. Seriously, I'm amazed you thought scum past all that.

[Goatrevolt]

how would darkie have pressed the case on me when he was dead from your vig shot?

You lynch me. You shoot DD, and Matin is the obvious lynch the next day.

I get roleblocked, or Fonz protects, I get lynched for some godforsaken reason being linked to you.

That wouldn't have happened. Cass would have roleblocked DD. Fonz would have protected you.

[forbiddanlight]

If Ennui survived better then I was planning for him to hunt down those who reacted scummy to my claim. But it didn't work out, obviously.

So do you guys think my claim was good or not?

It was clever, but you needed to play a lot more pro town to pull it off better. Most of your moves were selfish and somewhat scummy, but no one wanted to lynch you because you were bulletproof.

[darkdude]

I get roleblocked, or Fonz protects, I get lynched for some godforsaken reason being linked to you.

I was going to arrest you though.

[darkdude]

I get roleblocked, or Fonz protects, I get lynched for some godforsaken reason being linked to you.

I was going to arrest you though.

That wouldn't have happened. Cass would have roleblocked DD. Fonz would have protected you.

Would that still happen after you flip scum though? Maybe they would have bought my theory on FL being scumbuddies with you?

[forbiddanlight]

I was going to arrest you though.

Yeah, that's possible too. It depends on what Cass and Fonz thought. And what would have been the point of arresting me if I were scum? I'd supposedly be bulletproof.

[forbiddanlight]

Would that still happen after you flip scum though? Maybe they would have bought my theory on FL being scumbuddies with you?

Precisely why.