Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Battle Mage]

Main takeaways from this:

1. MorningTweet has U-turned on her neighbour Blake Belladonna, who she earlier thought was probably town or something? Not sure what has led to that, given Blake has barely posted? Could do with explanation.

2. I'm somehow less townie than VaultDweller?? Little bit harsh, given I'm the towniest townie of all.

3. Surprised at her view that "if ABR was town, someone on the scumteam would try to bring him down" when ABR has, so far, been untouched by any of the traps at night. Add it to the list of weak ABR defences which don't stack up.

Overall, pleasing to see some actual suspects here.

1. No..?

2. Sorry BM i still love you though <3

3. By bring him down I mean in thread, not at night. Sort of a baseless theory sure. I just have a sneaking suspicion that opposing ABR's leadership is something somebody on the scumteam would have to do at some point. I can see him as being easier to oppose in day rather than just killed at night

If I was scum, and ABR was town, I guarantee I'd have trapped him on Night 1. No scumteam wants a loud influential townie running the show. And the beauty of having night-kills is that you can get rid of people like that easily. So I think your assertion here is incredible.

re: Blake - it would be helpful for you to explain why her not posting made you change your read on her to such a significant extent? You indicated her replacing out was suspicious, so maybe start there.

ABR is like, the #1 person I'd expect to be protected. Do you always nightkill the most widely townread (or at least most influential) townie? I wouldn't.

plus as we found out, ABR did get protected lmao

As scum I would probably avoid ABR n1, then shade him really hard d2 and onwards in order to make protectives second guess themselves, and then get him lynched (or possibly nightkill him if his reads are too accurate and people are still mostly trusting him)

Where are you getting the idea that I

ever

trusted Blake? Not only that, but I said her replace out isn't something I want to focus on.

ABR hasn't been the most widely townread player at any point in the game. Except in your own mind.

Influential, absolutely. But I don't buy that he wasn't hit because he was protected, we've had loads of traps each night, you don't think there could have been MORE surely?? Again, this stretches credulity.

And I don't believe for a second you would employ that strategy as scum, from what I've seen of your play here.

[Battle Mage]

he's also dead, which confirms that neighbour is a possible role in this role madness game, thereby answering iDany's post. so.. yeah

your defense of drixx reminds me of something i could say to you about ABR. as I said i haven't really looked thru yet but my inital lynchpool is something like Drixx/dave/Blake/pisskop/BBMolla

BBMolla? great, time to put the chips in! I'll take Pisskop as a compromise if absolutely necessary.

I think you misunderstood my point about Momo - he wasn't a normal neighbour, he was a

scum

neighbour. So that is a "role" which is not a standard vanilla role. Clearly there are a couple of those in the game, so it seems obtuse to suggest the existence of scum in the hoods proves there must be vanilla town neighbours in the game. Personally, I don't buy it, and once again you've made a deduction which seems objectively unlikely and portrayed it as fact. This is not conduct which feels protown to me.

"Scum" is an alignment. "Neighbour" is a role. The fact he was on the scumteam does not make his role somehow more special than a town neighbour.

Momo's flip proves that neighbour is an acceptable role in this role madness.

I think of being on a scumteam as being a power role, coz u get to do shit, innit?

Seriously though, the point is not whether it's conceptually possible to have a town neighbour, but whether you actually believe there is 1. I do not. You evidently do. But we are getting to a point where it becomes less and less likely as more and more claims come out.

Maybe we can cut to the chase - if ABR purported to be the only vanilla town neighbour in the entire game, would you believe him?

Are you forgetting that Pine was a town neighbour?

I would expect somewhere between maybe 1-3 town neighbours. It will not surprise me AT ALL if there is multiple. 75% of the game is in PTs.

Pine was a double neighbour. His special ability was being in 2 hoods. Let's not go round in circles on this please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's it guys, if BM doesn't have you convinced with his superb scumhunting, I don't know what will. Only reason I'm not helping him vote the scum with a town neighbor role is because I have one too.

[Battle Mage]

I've like, already done one. Several times. Have I not been clear about who I want to lynch today?

You want to lynch ABR, and Molla, and apparently as of the newest page GL, and I believe you gave Pisskop and someone else as compromise lynches. I do not remember seeing a full reads list from you other than EoD1

ISO me

Quote it please, not seeing it.

Also, I remember you doing some in-depth setup spec about amount of scum per hood; I asked in my hood and they said there's no list of who's in it, could you quote that stuff again please? I'm I think its called police officer or FBI or w.e.

It was fricking multi-coloured. gimme a break dude.

there's only 1 scum in your hood, don't think it's you.

you should know your own hood flavour from your role pm.

scum is ABR, 2 of (BBMolla, GuiltyLion, Pisskop), and 1 from your hood (probably Danyboy)

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage I’m not scum

Ok dude, would you be up for lynching GuiltyLion instead?

Why not Gamma or Danny

less likely to be scum. I'll do you a deal though - if you get a decent wagon on GuiltyLion, I'll join you on it. Otherwise, I'll continue to assume you're scumbuddies and just lynch you

[Albert B. Rampage]

Never give BM a break.

[Eddie Cane]

I've like, already done one. Several times. Have I not been clear about who I want to lynch today?

You want to lynch ABR, and Molla, and apparently as of the newest page GL, and I believe you gave Pisskop and someone else as compromise lynches. I do not remember seeing a full reads list from you other than EoD1

ISO me

Quote it please, not seeing it.

Also, I remember you doing some in-depth setup spec about amount of scum per hood; I asked in my hood and they said there's no list of who's in it, could you quote that stuff again please? I'm I think its called police officer or FBI or w.e.

It was fricking multi-coloured. gimme a break dude.

there's only 1 scum in your hood, don't think it's you.

you should know your own hood flavour from your role pm.

scum is ABR, 2 of (BBMolla, GuiltyLion, Pisskop), and 1 from your hood (probably Danyboy)

I'm on mobile. Scrolling is not very easy.

Do you have a list of the people in my hood? I asked there, only Dave answered and said there is no list.

[Battle Mage]

join my wagon Eddie, then we'll talk

[Eddie Cane]

I don't want to vote you, I think you're town.

[Morning Tweet]

ABR hasn't been the most widely townread player at any point in the game. Except in your own mind.

Influential, absolutely. But I don't buy that he wasn't hit because he was protected, we've had loads of traps each night, you don't think there could have been MORE surely?? Again, this stretches credulity.

And I don't believe for a second you would employ that strategy as scum, from what I've seen of your play here.

What kind of reasoning is "You wouldn't do that as scum, because you're not doing it here."

ABR was the most prominent, loud players on day one, in my opinion. He had a decent town backing. Plus, you and him seem to have driven up a scum lynch. The game was feeling pretty good about him at that point in time.

It is not a reach to expect that they didn't try to NK him and instead shade him the next day so he'd either be easier to kill, or potentially set up for a mislynch later. Yeah it's still possible ABR is scum, but you are letting yourself be absolutely consumed by your setup spec and NK analysis like that mechanically confirms him. i can't take you seriously like this

[Albert B. Rampage]

Never since the We Shall Fight Them on the Beaches speech Churchill gave to the House of the Lords have we seen such oratory skills until BM came along with his speech on the scum neighbor who openly claimed to his hoodmates he thought were clear after they lynched scum in that hood day 1.

[Battle Mage]

Never give BM a break.

That's it guys, if BM doesn't have you convinced with his superb scumhunting, I don't know what will. Only reason I'm not helping him vote the scum with a town neighbor role is because I have one too.

This game is confirmed Role Madness, there are no Vanilla Townies or Mafia Goons.

Just a reminder that this is the mods definition so a neighbor is perfectly acceptable

ABR might be scum regardless of that but a case built on that is foolish

FOOOOLIOIISSHH

I think BM is the one using that as evidence against ABR

This is a misrepresentation, I've been clear on my view that I don't believe there are plain old town neighbours in the game. Conceptually there could be. But I don't think there is. So ABR would then be lying, duh.

Revolutionary.

I think BM just cracked this game wide open guys.

Somebody not getting enough attention?

[Battle Mage]

I don't want to vote you, I think you're town.

vote BBmolla

[Morning Tweet]

It was fricking multi-coloured. gimme a break dude.

there's only 1 scum in your hood, don't think it's you.

you should know your own hood flavour from your role pm.

scum is ABR, 2 of (BBMolla, GuiltyLion, Pisskop), and 1 from your hood (probably Danyboy)

you do not know this. this is coming entirely from your setup spec. try reading the game outside of it and see what comes of it

[Albert B. Rampage]

i make my own fun idk about u guys

[BBmolla]

i make my own fun idk about u guys

Trust me we know

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: BBMolla

You've gone for two of the easiest scumreads in the game

Hey MorningTweet, MorningTweet!

2 of your tiddlytoppiest townies are voting for BBMolla. Maybe you should join us?

Best ask ABR for permission first.

calling me just "Morning" is fine (人･∀･)

Question: If you could disable your emojis from turning into the site faces, would you? (So you would use ": )" instead of )

hey i need an answer to this-- very important

[Eddie Cane]

I don't want to vote you, I think you're town.

vote BBmolla

I think Dany is more likely to be scum, Molla is not a town read but Dany is actively scummy.

[BBmolla]

Yes MT but only if phone emojis were added

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't want to vote you, I think you're town.

vote BBmolla

I think Dany is more likely to be scum, Molla is not a town read but Dany is actively scummy.

Yes MT but only if phone emojis were added

Fuck it lets lynch dany then i dont give a fuck

VOTE: danny

[Battle Mage]

ABR hasn't been the most widely townread player at any point in the game. Except in your own mind.

Influential, absolutely. But I don't buy that he wasn't hit because he was protected, we've had loads of traps each night, you don't think there could have been MORE surely?? Again, this stretches credulity.

And I don't believe for a second you would employ that strategy as scum, from what I've seen of your play here.

What kind of reasoning is "You wouldn't do that as scum, because you're not doing it here."

ABR was the most prominent, loud players on day one, in my opinion. He had a decent town backing. Plus, you and him seem to have driven up a scum lynch. The game was feeling pretty good about him at that point in time.

It is not a reach to expect that they didn't try to NK him and instead shade him the next day so he'd either be easier to kill, or potentially set up for a mislynch later. Yeah it's still possible ABR is scum, but you are letting yourself be absolutely consumed by your setup spec and NK analysis like that mechanically confirms him. i can't take you seriously like this

I didn't say "you wouldn't do that as scum, because you're not doing it here". Regrettably, you have misinterpreted me once again.

Being loud is not the same as having town backing. My recollection of this game differs from yours, clearly. ABR didn't drive a scum lynch - are you sure you're thinking of this game? As I recall, he ran up a cop into a claim, and then eventually joined the Momo wagon when it looked inevitable he was going to be lynched.

On the contrary, I'm not even voting for ABR. You, however, are completely obsessed with arguing he is town, even when he is under no pressure. And your reasoning for doing so, at times, has been utterly ludicrous.

[Battle Mage]

I don't want to vote you, I think you're town.

vote BBmolla

I think Dany is more likely to be scum, Molla is not a town read but Dany is actively scummy.

Mathematically, we have more chance hitting scum with BBMolla. And you'll note ABR scum has been keen to lynch pretty much anyone today, except BBMolla.

What does that tell you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

scum is ABR, 2 of (BBMolla, GuiltyLion, Pisskop), and 1 from your hood (probably Danyboy)

Lets just lynch Danny I think we all agree he's scum and were just too scared of his big claim.

[Morning Tweet]

why do you keep commenting on my ABR read if you don't want to hear about it? seriously dudeee (*ﾉω-)

[Battle Mage]

It was fricking multi-coloured. gimme a break dude.

there's only 1 scum in your hood, don't think it's you.

you should know your own hood flavour from your role pm.

scum is ABR, 2 of (BBMolla, GuiltyLion, Pisskop), and 1 from your hood (probably Danyboy)

you do not know this. this is coming entirely from your setup spec. try reading the game outside of it and see what comes of it

I'm confident. I think if I was wrong, at least 1 scum would have leapt on it. But the only way to find out is to try, and I'm a big fan of giving town the best chance to win.

You seriously don't need to be giving me advice about reading the game objectively.