Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Firebringer]

@eddie why would u lie that i am easy to read.

also i should really be more involved in this game since i was some what following around.

considering just sheeping abr or eddie here rn.
Don't really have scumreads.

Anyone want to jam?

[Vecna]

i make my own fun idk about u guys

it irritates me, just as an fyi

and it makes me want to lynch you more

[Morning Tweet]

yup momo was a regular neighbour, no bullshitting there. Everything that came after the neighbour portion on his rolecard is factional.

He's probably the weakest scum role on their team

..hmm......

[Vecna]

Since apparently there is confusion over my definition of role madness, I'll also add that there can be more than one of the same role. As well, factional abilities do not count as a role (so a Mafia Goon with factional powers would not exist).

And this confirms it as well.

survivor is a role, since else momo wouldve been called a good

[Vecna]

@Drixx - can you give your read on danyBoy?

You have almost no interactions about/with him except to disagree with him about the merits of BM's case and then to disagree with me when I wonder whether danyboy saying Jigsaw is in his hood is unlikely to be scum premeditating their fakeclaim. I have no idea what your actual read on him is at all.

I kinda feel Drixx is scummier and scummier the more I think about it - the way he shaded momo but kept pushing BM/Vecna instead on D1 feels agenda-y.

While I dont like Drixx, I dont nessacerily think he was around after the momo wagon had started picking up steam? I might be wrong

[Vecna]

I'll do a proper reads list tomorrow, but for now the cliffnotes version to spark discussion because this game is stagnant: MT very town, Vault town partly from Vecna and partly from how he reacted to being "green checked", Gamma town because he was pretty town anyways, may have a cop inno, and scum almost never actually green check their partners in my experience, Drixx a bit scummy (and seen a couple people (I think BM/MT) call him townie maybe it was from the bulk of d1 I did not read could use an explanation), spicy town read on Blake/Fire, BM I have a rabbit hole paranoia read I don't want to go down unless asked but overall pretty town, should probably have a read on vecna but don't, thought he was townie but doubting myself and looking for the momo bus votes so IDFK, don't remember anything of substance from GL or Piss (that's scummier for GL because he's the one there good at mafia), molla has not seemed obv town yet which might make him scum but would like to hear fire's read.

I like these reads overall - I think Vecna is clearly town though

I'm happy to sheep you/MT today. I personally kinda want to give dany a day with that claim and lynch elsewhere, but if we're set on him seemling like obvscum and worth lynching through the claim then ultimately I'm on board with that

People also keep scumreading you for some reason. Youre the most towny slot to me this game and I really do not get it

[Vecna]

I'll do a proper reads list tomorrow, but for now the cliffnotes version to spark discussion because this game is stagnant: MT very town, Vault town partly from Vecna and partly from how he reacted to being "green checked", Gamma town because he was pretty town anyways, may have a cop inno, and scum almost never actually green check their partners in my experience, Drixx a bit scummy (and seen a couple people (I think BM/MT) call him townie maybe it was from the bulk of d1 I did not read could use an explanation), spicy town read on Blake/Fire, BM I have a rabbit hole paranoia read I don't want to go down unless asked but overall pretty town, should probably have a read on vecna but don't, thought he was townie but doubting myself and looking for the momo bus votes so IDFK, don't remember anything of substance from GL or Piss (that's scummier for GL because he's the one there good at mafia), molla has not seemed obv town yet which might make him scum but would like to hear fire's read.

I like these reads overall - I think Vecna is clearly town though

I'm happy to sheep you/MT today. I personally kinda want to give dany a day with that claim and lynch elsewhere, but if we're set on him seemling like obvscum and worth lynching through the claim then ultimately I'm on board with that

Id also like to give dany more time. Even if he was scum theres still plenty of scumbuddies out there to catch, and if we spare him and he's town were actually giving ourselves the option of catching jigsaw, which would turn all his results into actual townclears which guarantees a townwin.

Give scum the hard choice of whether they wanna let him live for another 2 nights

[Vecna]

But then again, Hoffman is quite possible a really strong scum PR and fits quite well with the cop hood and the scum that likely has the strongest cover

[Vecna]

Does anyone else have that irritation factor with certain players, where the player does x and you instantly know their alignment because how it makes you feel and rubs off on you?

Blake (ankamius) is one of those people for me, and whenever we are town together she just keeps opposing me on everything and fighting hard over it, and it irritates the living shitlights out of me. This has never not been the case.

Here, blake belladonna actually had very good-sounding reasoning. There was no irritation towards any slot. Easy going, get along with everyona ankamius.

Thats the reason why as soon as she announced her main (big mistake if u ask me) my strong townread turned into a scumread.

Firebringer is also really not giving me any reason to doubt that read here.

[Vecna]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Vecna]

consider that me jamming with you woof

[SirCakez]

Votecount 3.3

Albert B. Rampage (4) - iDanyboy, pisskop, Gamma Emerald, VaultDweller
iDanyboy (3) - Eddie Cane, BBmolla, Albert B. Rampage
Firebringer (1) - Vecna
BBmolla (1) - Battle Mage
Drixx (1) - Morning Tweet

Not voting (4) - davesaz, Firebringer, Drixx, GuiltyLion

(expired on 2020-05-16 19:49:00) remain until day end

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to reach a majority.

"Up until now, you have spent your life among the dead, piecing together their final moments. You're good at this because you, like them, are also dead. Dead... on the inside."

[SirCakez]

iDanyboy requested replacement.
Gamma Emerald did not pick up his prod.

Seeking replacements for both.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: idanyboy

[Morning Tweet]

does anyone here have any faith that iDany might flip green

[davesaz]

I don't, but it's hard to shake off my principles of not lynching un-CC'd roles.
That's causing a huge amount of indecision paralysis right now.

[Morning Tweet]

what does CCing mean for u in a role madness game?

As a recap:

Hectic was a full cop in the cop PT
iDany claims an internal investigations cop that can only investigate those in the cop PT (Gamma, dave, Hectic, farside, VaultDweller, Eddie Cane, Drixx, [iDanyboy])
He claims to have investigated farside(Innocent) and Gamma(Innocent). But he cannot find Jigsaw who is a godfather.

i think i have all that right

In my mind that's just as likely to be a real role as it is likely to be a fakeclaim. It wouldn't be hard to fake results, that's for sure

[davesaz]

The mod stated there could be multiples, I think? So a CC doesn't automatically mean one is each alignment.

That's not the basis of my hesitation though, un-CC'd isn't essential. Claims just make me stop in general, mostly because of golden rule and hating it when the shoe is on the other foot and people don't stop when I'm the town who trueclaims. My TM game is a perfect example. A CC would reduce that hesitation but would just leave me with a 1v1 to solve.

The "only in the Police hood" thing is an aspect that makes fakeclaim a real possibility for me. If scum needed to eliminate someone from "police" at a critical juncture with a fake guilty it would be the best kind of cover. Plus it's good cover for not investigating scummy people outside that hood. And I certainly don't see town in iDany's posting. I would have said that it's just as likely to be fake as real, but I think we're on the same page there.

[SirCakez]

Bingle replaces iDanyboy!

[Morning Tweet]

I pretty much agree with you dave yea

Ideally id like to give iDany-Bingie another day and reevaluate. If we mislynch town!idany down the line we got more info too

hia Bingie!

[Eddie Cane]

Give scum the hard choice of whether they wanna let him live for another 2 nights

With the current pace of night kills, unless I'm miscounting tomorrow is lylo if we mislynch today...

[Bingle]

Hey, tell me whats going on.

[Eddie Cane]

I think your slot is extremely mafia. You should full claim with bonus points on how quick you do.

[Vecna]

Youre being run up in high pace bingle and need to fullclaim

[Bingle]

I've already seen that my slot is mostly claimed, eddie.