Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 3.4

Target	Wagon
Alisae (4)	humaneatingmonkey (1559), votato (1560), Elements (1582), NorwegianboyEE (1583)
votato (1)	Alisae (1561)
Looker (1)	Firebringer (1553)
Not Voting (4)	Deimos27, Green Crayons, Isis, Looker

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-15 23:33:59).

[Alisae]

lynching someone you think is townie when you have other lynchable scumreads is not natural town behavior, bro. surely you would use that allowance for a mislynch on people you think is scum in case you're wrong, right? that's the town mindset because you never know if you'll be right. i see no way town!you would think it's okay to lynch town at around less than 24 hours after deadline without squeezing more out of your scumreads.

instead scum!you would take that opportunity to eliminate ABR because you're widely scumread anyway, and you're willing to take out ABR on your way out.

self-vote, bro.

Are you telling me to selfvote because you know that you actually just have nothing valid on me?

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Because what flip discredits me more and makes me more lynchable
Cycle Men scumflip, or your townflip?

So you are saying me and Monkey had magical knowledge that you would defend Cycle men the way you did and 'planned' it all out the way you're imagining it? Lmao get outta here.

No I am saying that I interacted with Cycle Men when I came out on a townread on him and defended him and you and Monkey reacted to that.

[Alisae]

By the time I was pushing Elements, that was definitely a strategy you can do.

[humaneatingmonkey]

strong response Alisae

[Alisae]

like when you tell someone to self-vote, you are so delusional that you think you can convince the person you are trying to lynch that they are scum.
You think I am actually just going to listen to you?

ofc not, thats not even you being over confident town because you have

nothing

on me.
You basically just said "thats not town mentality thats scum mentality"
Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

[Elements]

Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

So you being scum is fact?

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: looker

im gonna sheep abr last wish.

Scummy.

- Blameless vote if looker is town. ("ABR told us to do it!")
- ABR didn't have stellar understanding of game (thought Cycle was town; also, not that anyone else can confirm, but thought I was scum).
- ABR's near final command was that scum bussed. Looker didn't bus Cycle.
- ABR gave two different scum group theories in D2. Looker was only in one group. FB ignores the other two players who were the same in both theories to start with looker.

A D3 sheep vote of a vanilla townie who wasn't firing on all cylinders is not a great look.

[humaneatingmonkey]

like when you tell someone to self-vote, you are so delusional that you think you can convince the person you are trying to lynch that they are scum.
You think I am actually just going to listen to you?

ofc not, thats not even you being over confident town because you have

nothing

on me.
You basically just said "thats not town mentality thats scum mentality"
Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

this post gave me dysentery

[Green Crayons]

anyone out there think alisae will flip town?

I've been asking for reasons why Ali is scum and nobody answers me. I've tried sorting her in the thread and nobody touches it.

[Alisae]

I knew if I hammered ABR lie how I did I would be suss’d out for it.

By being straight unlucky with defending Cycle Men and them flipping scum, I knew that in this game scum in this game would want to make it known that I am likely to be associated with Cycle Men.
All I needed to do was perform an action that scum will want to jump to like dogs to a bone and now I am the lynchbait of the game. At that point scum don’t even need to try to lynch me, they just go on auto pilot and push the scummy things I’m doing because its easy to point at me defending Cycle Men and me hammering ABR and say “these are scum indicative things this person is obvscum.”
It’s also at this point in the game where because you are so far in autopilot mode that you make mistakes and start to play sloppily.

With ur push you are not even trying to think about the game.
You are telling me to self-vote and describing me as obvscum.

What town REALLY does here, is they pause when they hear me say “Yeah, I kinda had a townread on ABR and I hammered him anyways because we have the mislynches to spare” because of how absurd that statement actually is.

Instead, you saw that statement, commented about how absurd it was, and continued to push the narative that I’m obvscum

[Alisae]

Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

So you being scum is fact?

no?

[Alisae]

Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

So you being scum is fact?

no?

Monkey is using that to push me because its ironclad and sounds good. This is exactly what they want, they want a stance that they feel like looks good and feels like is strong.
What town want is to be right and have correct reads.
Monkey’s read on me does not look like he wants to be correct, but instead is a stance he feels like looks good and is ironclad

[humaneatingmonkey]

What town want is to be right and have correct reads.

you're not pushing a read you're pushing a fact LMAO

[Alisae]

like when you tell someone to self-vote, you are so delusional that you think you can convince the person you are trying to lynch that they are scum.
You think I am actually just going to listen to you?

ofc not, thats not even you being over confident town because you have

nothing

on me.
You basically just said "thats not town mentality thats scum mentality"
Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

this post gave me dysentery

notice how Monkey is just saying “look at these bad posts!” Instead of trying to explain why the posts are bad.

[Alisae]

anyone out there think alisae will flip town?

I've been asking for reasons why Ali is scum and nobody answers me. I've tried sorting her in the thread and nobody touches it.

Thats because all of the scumreads on me are actually just bullshit

[Green Crayons]

Cycle Men (7) Deimos27 (588), humaneatingmonkey (902), Isis (904), Firebringer (1234), Green Crayons (1240), Elements (1245), Alisae (1289)
Elements (4) Cycle Men (1002), NorwegianboyEE (1101), votato (1187), Albert B. Rampage (1251)
NorwegianboyEE (1) Looker (456)

This is a surprisingly polarized vote count. And ABR flipping town makes me wonder if 2 if not all of the scum were voting Cycle Men as a planned buss. Looker could be scum as well though. Idk how i feel about him sitting out the major wagons. Theoretically this could mean something completely different if Elements was scum too. But i'm not really going to consider that too much atm.

Scum either:

was bussing Cycle (Deimos, humna, Isis, FB, Crayons, Elements, Ali)
was voting Elements counterwagon (Norwegian, votato)
or was not voting (Looker)

Norwegian's theory here is that scum was not voting the Elements counterwagon alongside Cycle-scum, which (A) asks the town to avoid scrutinizing the Elements counterwagon which he was one; (B) allows him ignore votato, who would the only potential scum on the Elements counterwagon if Norwegian-town, which is useful if votato-town and Norwegin-scum because now Norwegian doesn't need to come up with bad reasons to vote votato-town; and (C) avoids the obvious sequence of, if votato is town, then Norwegian is the other scum alternative on the Elements counter-wagon.

Now, it's entirely possible(!) to legitimately come to the conclusion that scum was not on the Elements counterwagon alongside Cycle-scum. But that would require doing the legwork of looking at who else was on the Elements counterwagon.

Norwegian hasn't done that. He's simply gotten to the conclusion that best benefits him as scum, but would actually be a detriment to him as town because he's ignoring votato as a potential scum candidate based on wagon analysis.

[Alisae]

I can tell you more about that GC but thats part of what I’m trying to demonstrate here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

like when you tell someone to self-vote, you are so delusional that you think you can convince the person you are trying to lynch that they are scum.
You think I am actually just going to listen to you?

ofc not, thats not even you being over confident town because you have

nothing

on me.
You basically just said "thats not town mentality thats scum mentality"
Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

this post gave me dysentery

notice how Monkey is just saying “look at these bad posts!” Instead of trying to explain why the posts are bad.

that's scummy why?

[Green Crayons]

I think you’re probably town and I think we just need to lynch Monkey, Deimos, Votato, and Norwee.

I'm confused on how you came down to 3/4 of these players, who I thought you were null or town reading until rn.

[Alisae]

like when you tell someone to self-vote, you are so delusional that you think you can convince the person you are trying to lynch that they are scum.
You think I am actually just going to listen to you?

ofc not, thats not even you being over confident town because you have

nothing

on me.
You basically just said "thats not town mentality thats scum mentality"
Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

this post gave me dysentery

notice how Monkey is just saying “look at these bad posts!” Instead of trying to explain why the posts are bad.

that's scummy why?

because its easier to say “POST BAD ALI SCUM” then actually explain why the post is bad.

[Green Crayons]

like I actually townread ABR because I thought his reads were townie
hammered him anyways

wat

[humaneatingmonkey]

like when you tell someone to self-vote, you are so delusional that you think you can convince the person you are trying to lynch that they are scum.
You think I am actually just going to listen to you?

ofc not, thats not even you being over confident town because you have

nothing

on me.
You basically just said "thats not town mentality thats scum mentality"
Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

this post gave me dysentery

notice how Monkey is just saying “look at these bad posts!” Instead of trying to explain why the posts are bad.

that's scummy why?

because its easier to say “POST BAD ALI SCUM” then actually explain why the post is bad.

You're not pushing a read, you're pushing a fact!

HAHAHAHAHA

[Alisae]

I think you’re probably town and I think we just need to lynch Monkey, Deimos, Votato, and Norwee.

I'm confused on how you came down to 3/4 of these players, who I thought you were null or town reading until rn.

the short answer is I think {Firebringer, Isis, Elements, GC, Looker} contain 0 scum and Monkey and Norwee don’t have a natural read on me. Votato and Deimos I don’t care which one is scum because if Monkey and Norwee are both scum then we can lynch both of them in no particular order and the game just ends unless I’m lynched today because one of {Firebringer, Isis, GC, Looker} voted me, which would mean that one of them has the higher chance of being scum.

[Alisae]

like when you tell someone to self-vote, you are so delusional that you think you can convince the person you are trying to lynch that they are scum.
You think I am actually just going to listen to you?

ofc not, thats not even you being over confident town because you have

nothing

on me.
You basically just said "thats not town mentality thats scum mentality"
Because right now you are not pushing a read.
You are pushing a fact.

this post gave me dysentery

notice how Monkey is just saying “look at these bad posts!” Instead of trying to explain why the posts are bad.

that's scummy why?

because its easier to say “POST BAD ALI SCUM” then actually explain why the post is bad.

You're not pushing a read, you're pushing a fact!

HAHAHAHAHA

I cannot wait to see you come to terms with the fact that I am not lynchable and you don’t have the votes.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Isis/Looker/GC
Deimos27
humaneatinmonkey
votato
Elements
NorwegianboyEE

If your buddies are smart, they're gonna bus ASAP