Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[Alisae]

Also you adjusted your read to scumread me and I thought at that moment that you were scum OMGUSing me

[northsidegal]

Votecount 3.8

Target	Wagon
Alisae (4)	humaneatingmonkey (1559), votato (1560), NorwegianboyEE (1583), Looker (1732)
NorwegianboyEE (3)	Elements (1717), Alisae (1720), Firebringer (1721)
Not Voting (3)	Deimos27, Green Crayons, Isis

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-15 23:33:59).

[Elements]

anything else?

[Alisae]

From memory no but you can read that particular interaction again and re-read the game

[Alisae]

Like nothing is stopping you from doing that

[Elements]

I voted you at the time because I didn’t feel like you were trying to solve with how you were voting
You were changing your votes pretty rapidly.

He could say this. That he was scum reading me first and cycle saw that and took the easy counter wagon that had some town support already.

[Elements]

Do good do you think this scum team has played?

[Alisae]

I voted you at the time because I didn’t feel like you were trying to solve with how you were voting
You were changing your votes pretty rapidly.

He could say this. That he was scum reading me first and cycle saw that and took the easy counter wagon that had some town support already.

Okay so why isn’t he interested in lynching Norwee when I am pressuring him to lynch Norwee

[Alisae]

Like why would he drop his Cycle Men scumread to support an Elements wagon, when he didn’t drop his Cycle Men scumread to support a Norwee wagon

[Alisae]

Like, he wanted to kill you AND norwee. In that post you were referring to, the people he said he wanted to go after were you and Norwee
Instead he went for Cycle Men.

[Elements]

How well do you think this scum team has played?

EBWOP

[Alisae]

How well do you think this scum team has played?

EBWOP

I can’t answer that question because I would need the Norwee and Monkey’s flip to rate their play.

[Alisae]

Also how does that even help you figure out that Monkey is scum here

[Elements]

How well do you think this scum team has played?

EBWOP

I can’t answer that question because I would need the Norwee and Monkey’s flip to rate their play.

if we assume monkey and norwee scum

[Alisae]

How well do you think this scum team has played?

EBWOP

I can’t answer that question because I would need the Norwee and Monkey’s flip to rate their play.

if we assume monkey and norwee scum

I think Monkey wanting to bus Cycle Men > Norwee is a valid option here.
Its not a bad play by any means.
Its just when Cycle Men wants to vote you, and I want to vote you to establish a counterwagon, it is very hard for Monkey to hop off and push you, so I think he made the correct play to continue bussing Cycle Men here.

[Elements]

how planned was the bus?

[Alisae]

It wasn’t planned.
He decided he wanted to bus Cycle Men over bussing Norwee and thats all there is to it.

[votato]

votato uve been keeping up this also i want to call a barrier between urself and me in all of our interactions. I think I have been as open as possible in talking to u, but each time i get responses there is an invisible wall ur putting up between us.

Sometimes I think thats normal, a person who is tunneling does that as a defense they are worried about being deceived so they put these roadblocks to not let them be manipulated. Perfectly fine.

But to me. That isn't you. Not what I can gather of how you view the game or how you think about the game. I don't think u have trouble talking in an open manner with anyone in any game. Yet, here I think you do. Why is that?

yeah youre right. Im wary of interacting with you because I suspect that youre running some big ploy. your posts dont sound like your normal self. I guess i havent ever seen you post after day 1, and I'm surprised that youre so easy for me to read. All that gives me pause. My solve does read like a conspiracy theory. But its a conspiracy that has been alluded to in the main thread.

Also if you really think I'm scum here you may want to reevaluate your ability to read me. So far I have gone into every game with a different approach, so if this seems different than in other games, dont be surprised. I am starting to doubt my solve, and HEM v alisae sorta reads like SvS atm. I still think ali is the best lynch today, because it gives us so much info. and If ali flips scum then we lynch FB next right? we lynch FB after finding one more scum? crayons almost has to be scum here. Super opportunistic both with post timing and direction. If ali flips scum crayons is scum for sure.

[Alisae]

In that alternative where your only options are Norwee and Cycle Men, Monkey picked Cycle Men

[Firebringer]

votato uve been keeping up this also i want to call a barrier between urself and me in all of our interactions. I think I have been as open as possible in talking to u, but each time i get responses there is an invisible wall ur putting up between us.

Sometimes I think thats normal, a person who is tunneling does that as a defense they are worried about being deceived so they put these roadblocks to not let them be manipulated. Perfectly fine.

But to me. That isn't you. Not what I can gather of how you view the game or how you think about the game. I don't think u have trouble talking in an open manner with anyone in any game. Yet, here I think you do. Why is that?

yeah youre right. Im wary of interacting with you because I suspect that youre running some big ploy. your posts dont sound like your normal self. I guess i havent ever seen you post after day 1, and I'm surprised that youre so easy for me to read. All that gives me pause. My solve does read like a conspiracy theory. But its a conspiracy that has been alluded to in the main thread.

Also if you really think I'm scum here you may want to reevaluate your ability to read me. So far I have gone into every game with a different approach, so if this seems different than in other games, dont be surprised. I am starting to doubt my solve, and HEM v alisae sorta reads like SvS atm. I still think ali is the best lynch today, because it gives us so much info. and If ali flips scum then we lynch FB next right? we lynch FB after finding one more scum? crayons almost has to be scum here. Super opportunistic both with post timing and direction. If ali flips scum crayons is scum for sure.

well fuck don't make me doubt myself now.

[Green Crayons]

Ali makes this narrative that I haven't explained but it's really all over my ISO. check it.

Yeah, so I just reread D3 up to this post and you haven't explained it.

Like:

so we have a pattern. i'm not saying what, but there's a pattern.

let's get this obvscum out of the way VOTE: alisae

You obviously think Ali is scum because she hammered by Cycle and ABR. But you haven't spelled out why that makes her confscum like you claim.

Most of your posts against her aren't compelling.

Also, I know nobody is really paying attention to my homework, but I'm not convinced of a Cycle-Ali team based on this:

Spoiler: GC homework

1. Ali doesn't get town points for the hammer. She sat on Elements for a while and a final shift before Looker viewed the thread isn't AI.

But. Ali apparently didn't realize that Cycle voted for Elements before her, as she was asking Cycle to vote Elements in Post 1047 and Post 1049. This mistake was because of an inaccurate VC, as noted by mod comment in Post 1056. The fact that Ali's mistake appears tied to an incorrect VC leads me to believe that it was genuine.

So here's the Q: would Ali-scum follow Cycle-scum's vote onto Elements and call for Cycle-scum to vote Elements even though he already had--without knowing that Cycle-scum had actually made that vote when there is daytalk? I don't think so. I think scum pay close attention to what their teammates do, including keeping in mind what they post (like votes). I suppose it's possible that Ali-scum was lazy and only checked VCs (but VCs aren't necessarily up-to-date accurate); or that Ali-scum missed this if scumteam are like "okay let's try to not use daytalk as much as possible," but literally daytalk is their only advantage in this game so I'm not adopting that rationale as a basis to justify a potential scum theory.

Anyway. I'm feeling more secure about Ali-town, despite the weird Ali-Cycle-Norwegian mashup.

[Alisae]

Also no one should hammer me w/o claiming intent, because if it so comes to that, I want to get one last post out with my thoughts before hammer.

HA! You have the solid guts to say this. If you really believe that this is the pro-town move to do, you would have applied this on your logic when hammering ABR and Cycle Men.

Firebringer
Why is this a town post like at all?

@Wolfpupper

[Green Crayons]

Your case against me was so colored with bad faith and misrepresentation that you've gave me nothing to doubt my scumread on you.

I wouldn't agree with that. Ali's case does look like she thinks your scum because <either she's scum or she's town who is paranoid about her biggest pusher>, and is explaining how your actions align with HME-scum. I'm not sure if your actions, as Ali describes them, are actually AI though.

I'm not interested in a HME vote at the moment so I'm not inclined to assess the HME-scum theory further right now.

HME, if you were reading Ali as town rn, who would you be looking at instead?

[votato]

please say youd be looking at GC

[Alisae]

GC how is 1770 town