Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Albert B. Rampage]

mastina/knightmare was not voting either, spring was voting farkset, farkset was voting spring. Looks like cross bussing to me.

If you lynch me, do the following:
Raven sends all their claimed XP to someone of their choosing(Not Ame). If the person can confirm this, then they are not mafia(they would lack 1 xp otherwise, due to capture). If they claim to have targeted the nightkill

lynch them

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We have LR tonight forget about any night actions.

[Raya36]

@Raya, You're definitely a weird character with no narrative. Not necessarily town or scum, just weird.

Does anyone know the current VC?

I'll try not to take that as an insult lol

[Raya36]

I understand your sentiment but I don't agree with it.

I have used my role to confirm my alignment when I was scum before. In Ginngie's most recent game, I was a wolf who got masonized. Town was unaware of multiball, so I was conftown.

That's a good point. What are your thoughts on Ali pushing for the mass claim?

I detest massclaim in general, especially when ahead. I would have refused to claim unless wagoned in Hectic's place.

Do you think that's something coming from scum!Ali though?

[Titus]

@Raya, It's not an insult. Massclaim could come from scum Ali. It's a scummy move when ahead because Scum have to worry about PR traps and obvtown. Obvtown is much easier to shade than a mechanical clear.

@ABR, If Raven's town, who is scum?

[Raya36]

I see, in that case we can put Ali down in my other section

[Albert B. Rampage]

They could both be scum. You mean Farkset?

mastina/knightmare was not voting either, spring was voting farkset, farkset was voting spring. Looks like cross bussing to me.

Looks more like a retaliatory wagon to me. Spring was leading the charge against Farkset. Scum rarely come into Day 1 and cross bus each other.

Second, the wagon collapse onto Spring happened far too fast to be all town. So unless you're arguing 4 scum, I just can't see Spring as scum here.

Scum rarely cross bus day 1 because they lose a body.

In this case they don't lose a body so there's little downside.

Your premise is wrong.

and then you build the rest of your suspicions on that false premise. It doesn't work.

Did you see this? You couldn't lynch anyone Day 1. You never responded.

[Ame]

There are two parts to the case on MomoSae

Momo

Farkran made an incredibly scummy post here: 454.

I asked momo about it and his response is #3 here: 974. He is agreeing with Farkset's completely nonsensical and forced reasoning. In that post, Farkran also alluded to the possibility of Hectic having town slipped from that whole ordeal which was even more nonsensical; and Momo agreed to that here as well. It doesn't read as genuine to me.

Alisae

 

Spoiler:

     
Yesterday, I proposed a capture strategy that would have made scum unable to perform the night kill while everyone trained and upgraded their abilities

*

. I asked each person if they agreed to the strategy and Alisae agreed to it:

@Alisae

what do you think of this:

My role is quite powerful. And considering Pine's, I'm wondering what scum have to balance it out. There's another part to my initial role

and

I received another component from the upgrade.

The plan:

~Whoever we think is scum, we have them claim their XP: Raya, Creature, Knight I think.
~We capture one of them.
~The other two gift me the entirety of their XP.

I should be able to determine if they truly gifted me the correct amount based on what I receive.
I also have a way to determine if they are being deceptive with the second part of my role.
Since they are gifting all their XP, they will be unable to perform the night kill. (You can't kill and gift at the same time)
We aim investigative roles at them and continue this process over multiple days/nights while everyone else trains and upgrades.

Further, if there is a night kill and I receive the correct amount of XP, we know there is scum outside of the group. So scum will have to show themselves one way or the other, or allow all town roles and investigatives free reign to investigate and do their upgrades.

looks good to me

However, when I proposed that Knight be the capture and e gift, eir whole demeanor changed:

Very well. Let's instead Capture Knight. Alisae and Raya gift. Creature does not.

Ali and Raya, how much XP do you have? And how much did you begin with?

We should lynch Raya and try to stay focused here.

It was odd to me that e wasn't willing to claim eir XP because even if e didn't want to gift it, there wasn't really a reason to keep it concealed:

Is there an issue with claiming your XP?

yeah I have an issue with it at this moment

I asked if e would agree to it if we lynched Raya (at the time, eir justification was that they believed Raya was scum). Again e agreed:

If Raya flips town, will you agree to gifting you XP? I would need to know how much XP you have currently.

Yeah thats fine

But soon backtracked:

@Ame gifting isn't a bonus action.
I need my action for the night lmao.

This didn't make sense because Momo had claimed quest doublevoter, which isn't really essential, especially since we weren't even questing:

I don't see why a quest double voter would need their action.

Because I'm not just a doublevoter?

Ali further claimed to be a sabotage protector:

Ima just claim because I have votes on me but I'm not sure how many and I think I'm close to lynch range

If I'm on quests I prevent people from being sabotaged
momo didn't act n1

But again we weren't even questing so why would e need eir

**

action? Lastly, e finally did claim XP and portrayed it as if it were going to get em killed:

oh also i have 2 xp and i level up getting 3 xp
yeah
i either get shot or sabotaged lmao

thanks ame

which is bananas considering eir ability isn't usable without the quest and the fact that e was in the lynch pool. E claimed before that e wasn't aware that we weren't questing (yet e later demonstrated that e did in fact read the page where we discussed it), but at this point e had been made explicitly aware, so it doesn't make sense that e would believe this.

*Note, my plan would have not been successful if Knight was not the capture as his role would have prevented any actions targeting me.
**I have no idea if I'm using eir here correctly. Sorry if I'm botching it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR, If Raven's town, who is scum?

Alisae

[Titus]

They could both be scum. You mean Farkset?

mastina/knightmare was not voting either, spring was voting farkset, farkset was voting spring. Looks like cross bussing to me.

Looks more like a retaliatory wagon to me. Spring was leading the charge against Farkset. Scum rarely come into Day 1 and cross bus each other.

Second, the wagon collapse onto Spring happened far too fast to be all town. So unless you're arguing 4 scum, I just can't see Spring as scum here.

Scum rarely cross bus day 1 because they lose a body.

In this case they don't lose a body so there's little downside.

Your premise is wrong.

and then you build the rest of your suspicions on that false premise. It doesn't work.

Did you see this? You couldn't lynch anyone Day 1. You never responded.

I did. Captured is still a negative consequence. Scum are still unlikely to double bus.

[Titus]

VOTE: Alisae

ABR, let's do this. You me and conftown agree there's a chance this could be scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: alisae

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think Alisae is Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Albert

[Raya36]

Why do you think Ali is town?

[Raya36]

And why vote Albert? You has pine above your town confidence line

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Huh?

[Raya36]

Hectic - i liked the attempt to mechprogress, also i think i can be accurate on reading hectic very fast after having played with him so much recently
Pine - genuine introduction
---TOWN CONFIDENCE LINE---
Raya36
Not Known 15
Lady Chloe
Ame
---TRUE NULL LINE---
mastina
momo
Pink Ball
Ginngie

This is Farksen Reads.
Mastina Flipped Scum
Makes me believe the rest of the Null pile is all Town.

The Town Pile Probably contains the last scum although I don’t think it’s Creature.
That leaves NK15, Raya and Ame.

Here

[Pink Ball]

That's Farsket's reads, it says it right there

[Raya36]

Oh

[Raya36]

I'd still like to know why Ali is town and Albert is scum though

[Titus]

While I normally don't TR for errors, that error feels genuine as fuck.

[Pink Ball]

Scum doesn't make mistakes?

[Not Known 15]

I'd still like to know why Ali is town and Albert is scum though

[Raven Branwen]

mastina/knightmare was not voting either, spring was voting farkset, farkset was voting spring. Looks like cross bussing to me.

If you lynch me, do the following:
Raven sends all their claimed XP to someone of their choosing(Not Ame). If the person can confirm this, then they are not mafia(they would lack 1 xp otherwise, due to capture).

If they claim to have targeted the nightkill lynch them

.

That’s seriously dumb. I intend to watch the slot who has the greatest NK equity. If you think I should do otherwise wse, why tf are you even bothering playing mafia? You understand I’m town voyeur, correct? I have no words.

Titus, is definitely town. I really need to trust my initial reads more. Hectic was one of my strongest trs. PB is practically a townlock for not hammering Raya.

So Mastina decided to reprise her MBoS scumgame maybe? Hectic looks like a frame.

[Raven Branwen]

Do you guys think NK would be this defensive of his partner so early:

Being mechanically minded and the fact that she was so involved in the previous game, it is unlikely that she forgot that training can't take place at the same time as an action. If it were someone who wasn't much into mechanics, this would be a reasonable excuse as they may have genuinely just not paid attention the previous game. Mastina is a master mind, however, and very cognizant of the mechanical details.

There were changes, however. The mafia kill was not listed as a bonus action, publicly, at the start of the game.

Yes, but the rule was the same. We just have added clarification here.

From XP1:

This takes the place of another action and cannot be used alongside

any action

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Additionally, Mastina was a part of the scum team so was aware even if the public wasn't. And the post I quoted from before indicates that she was:

And why no kill N4?

There's no explanation for this except for scum training. It's the only possibility, because there's no method by which a kill could have been stopped.

I didn't stop it with my roleblock, Assembler was dead, so there was no longer any obstacles for a kill. It had to be training. N3 does not have to be.

That was more than two years ago... Do you remember all things from two years ago? I see the possibility of it being faked but it isn`t big enough to be scum indicative.

I think it’s seriously scummy for him to argue I ought to be lynched for doing exactly what a town voyeur ought to be doing. Like, is that even a real thought? Seriously?