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[mastina]

Who else does everyone else want dead?

April > you > Miss Lynch/Chemist. Miss Lynch due to refusal to claim when I know Krazy's fakeclaims for scum suck and there's known to be an unknown roleblocker floating around. Chemist due to the failed neighborize from Dunnstral. Both good reasons to be poe scum.

[Birds and the Boys]

What about April's play is scum? What about our play is scum? What about Miss Lynch's play is town?

[Birds and the Boys]

Votato all flipped town and farside. Do we think he only voted town the entire time he was in the game?

[mastina]

What about April's play is scum?

Everything?

What about our play is scum?

I haven't seen the town in your play when I should if you're town.

What about Miss Lynch's play is town?

Conspire's play has had town vibes throughout the whole game. Iso-wise, they'd be the most town player that isn't already conftown.

[Birds and the Boys]

Hm yeah I guess Mastina is scum.

[Birds and the Boys]

Mastina why should we believe that you are a doctor when we have two bodyguards, a doctor, and a BP?

[mastina]

Votato all flipped town and farside. Do we think he only voted town the entire time he was in the game?

As I said: the ONLY way farside can be scum is IF April is scum with her.

Because, per the known facts;
We know there is an unknown roleblocker, making it a role that is presumably scum.
April claims that farside was blocked N2.
No town player has claimed this block, and per the above, we know there is an unknown roleblocker that is presumably scum.
If the roleblock on farside did indeed come from scum, farside therefore cannot be scum, because scum would not roleblock scum.

Therefore, the only possible world in which farside is scum, is the world in which April is also scum and lied about seeing her be roleblocked.

Do you think April is scum? Your previous post implies otherwise.
Because you shading farside ignoring why she's conftown right now is awfully suspect.

[mastina]

Mastina why should we believe that you are a doctor when we have two bodyguards, a doctor, and a BP?

Because I don't fucking lie about my role regardless of my alignment? (Well, beyond small gambits as town, e.g. neighbor->mason, bp->macho, macho->bp. But those are obvious enough.)

A known, proven fact which has literally 500 games' worth of backing to demonstrate this trend?

Because I've been playing like a doctor the whole damn game?

Because this game has multiple kill methods in the game, per Krazy being theoretically as high as seven deaths in a phase (which we've mathed out to apparently only be 5? Butstill...), and multiple killstoppers given that there's multiple killers isn't uncommon and in fact is standard practice?

Because there's a confirmed scum roleblocker who from a design perspective could help shut down one of the killstoppers and let kills go through?

Because my role can't actually save the bodyguard lovers?

Because my role only stops ONE kill and thus double kills will still kill my target?


...The question isn't why you should believe me; it's why

shouldn't

you believe me, a question that's yet to have an answer.

[mastina]

Mastina why should we believe that you are a doctor when we have two bodyguards, a doctor, and a BP?

Because I don't fucking lie about my role regardless of my alignment? (Well, beyond small gambits as town, e.g. neighbor->mason, bp->macho, macho->bp. But those are obvious enough.)

A known, proven fact which has literally 500 games' worth of backing to demonstrate this trend?

Also, considering Turkey is in the hydra and I believe was the one making that post--this is tantamount to a scumclaim from Birds, because Turkey

knows

I don't fakeclaim as scum.

So:
VOTE: Birds and the Boys.

Pretending you don't know my meta when you do = you're scum.

[Birds and the Boys]

Do you think April is scum? Your previous post implies otherwise.Because you shading farside ignoring why she's conftown right now is awfully suspect.

I think that April could be scum. I thought the way she claimed miller was odd and potentially scummy.
I don't like how you answered my questions about April/us/Miss Lynch in a very handwavey fashion. As if it was so obvious we are stupid for not seeing it, when there's several players who are mixed on all three of those players.

...The question isn't why you should believe me; it's why

shouldn't

you believe me, a question that's yet to have an answer.

Well, I shouldn't believe you because you have been playing to your lurkier scum meta and we also have an abundance of protective power already.

Amuse on this though. If you, chemist, myself, and Dunnstral are all town and say Miss Lynch is scum, where do you look next? Just April?

[Birds and the Boys]

lso, considering Turkey is in the hydra and I believe was the one making that post--this is tantamount to a scumclaim from Birds, because Turkey knows I don't fakeclaim as scum.

How do I know this?

[mastina]

Amuse on this though. If you, chemist, myself, and Dunnstral are all town and say Miss Lynch is scum, where do you look next? Just April?

Well that's an assumption I wouldn't make to begin with, but humoring you--after April flipped scum with Miss Lynch also as scum and if I were to assume you, Chemist, and Dunn were all town (not an assumption I'd make but in the sake of this hypothetical) and if the game weren't over after the April scumlynch:

The best possibility would be farside since she'd no longer have a mechanical reason to be town and similarly to Miss Lynch her reason for being town would only be from play.

But I feel again the need to emphasize the lack of my belief in that scenario. Yes, hypothetically, if I removed you, Chemist, and Dunn from the lynch pool, and after lynching a scum Miss Lynch and a scum April, farside is where I would look next--

But I'd never remove you and Chemist from the lynch pool, Miss Lynch is not a guaranteed scum lynch, and even if both Miss Lynch and April were to flip scum, the first place I'd look after their scumflips wouldn't be farside; it'd be between you and Chemist, with me going through the claims to figure out which is more likely to be true (Chemist's by a landslide), mechanically theorycrafting, and then crossreferencing interactions and gameplay throughout the game to find which has the more damning interactions. (Which, by the way, I believe between you two, would be you.)

[Birds and the Boys]

Mastina, other than Chemist who is your scumbuddy?

[mastina]

lso, considering Turkey is in the hydra and I believe was the one making that post--this is tantamount to a scumclaim from Birds, because Turkey knows I don't fakeclaim as scum.

How do I know this?

From having played numerous towngames with me and even scumgames where I told the truth about my claim and referenced this trait of mine repeatedly, where it was a talking point.

And anyone who has played with me before can verify it, too.

I don't fucking lie about my role, especially not as scum, because the truth is your best weapon as a scum player and if you have sincerity on your side, people can read that genuineness from you, eliciting townreads from them because they think that if you're genuine you must be town.

So regardless of my alignment--I am definitely a doctor.

There's no doubts to be had on whether I am a doctor or not.
You can question the alignment of me, but then I'd posit: what good does a mafia doctor do in this game? The only town killing action is claimed from HoldenGolden as a ONESHOT vig. So then the question becomes would scum have a doctor to counter a oneshot role? No, of course they wouldn't.

[Birds and the Boys]

From having played numerous towngames with me and even scumgames where I told the truth about my claim and referenced this trait of mine repeatedly, where it was a talking point.

I think the only game I have played with scum!you was the Skyrim uPick where you claimed to be "VT" and "had no powers" and then you flipped with death janitor powers. So... uh..

[mastina]

Mastina, other than Chemist who is your scumbuddy?

farside, HoldenGolden, Clover Ebi, and Dunnstral, naturally.

[farside22]

@bird: does only 1 player show if town or anyone you target that is town is known?

That isn't a bad idea. However, I want to lynch Miss Lynch for that slot's lack of any real scumhunting

No im still leaning you, mastina and i think chemist is lying scum at this point so im not going to agree with you only option.

It is randomly selected of the people who are still alive. We could no lynch and that would probably be fine too.

- turducken

Hmmm i was hoping for better then that.

@April: the only reason i suggested it is if bird is scum we confirmed his lie and he gets lynched the next day. If bird is town and he targeted those 3 players if one flips town that helps some poe. If none flip town we know they are all scum.

unvote

[April Ludgate]

Damn, I must have read my ticket wrong, and the show started earlier than expected.

Always a pleasure watching shows here at the Scum Theatre playhouse.

[Birds and the Boys]

Mastina, other than Chemist who is your scumbuddy?

farside, HoldenGolden, Clover Ebi, and Dunnstral, naturally.

You sure it isn't April?

Damn, I must have read my ticket wrong, and the show started earlier than expected.

Always a pleasure watching shows here at the Scum Theatre playhouse.

[Birds and the Boys]

If Chemist is scum, what do we think about Dunnstral, town?

[Birds and the Boys]

Just FYI the last time I played with Miss Lynch she refused to claim there.
She was third party vote manipulator aligned with a serial killer.

So... yeah

[April Ludgate]

If Chemist is scum, what do we think about Dunnstral, town?

Probably. It feels like Dunnstral wants Chemist dead, though, so if they are scum together, Dunnstral probably wins.

[April Ludgate]

Just FYI the last time I played with Miss Lynch she refused to claim there.
She was third party vote manipulator aligned with a serial killer.

So... yeah

@Birds - If you’re town, who you want tomorrow?

[farside22]

Well lets verify dunns claim.

Bird?

[Birds and the Boys]

Just FYI the last time I played with Miss Lynch she refused to claim there.
She was third party vote manipulator aligned with a serial killer.

So... yeah

@Birds - If you’re town, who you want tomorrow?

It depends.

pedit: I am indeed in a neighborhood with Dunnstral. PP was in that neighborhood too.