New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:51 pm

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I wonder if mob mentality will attack post 697 like they've been attacking me

Probably not
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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:52 pm

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This is a good change. Kudos to the mods
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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:52 pm

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In post 700, Dunnstral wrote:I wonder if mob mentality will attack post 697 like they've been attacking me

Probably not
Likely not, his remarks seem to be sarcastic and actually intend to be a judgment against his own words, whereas unless I misread you are genuine in what you are claiming. Or am I wrong?
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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:53 pm

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Hiiii just wanted to say that trying to make this place more welcoming for future generations is as important as appealing to people who's already here! If you don't see anyone who feels offended with the word "lynch", is probably because they already didn't feel welcomed and left! I really don't think there's someone in this entire site that would be offended by NOT using the word, that I'm certain. And if you are offended because of this change, because you feel it's unnecesary and the mods are messing with mafia history... well, I hope you can stay and see that this change won't affect mafia's gameplay as you think it could be! Because that's why you care right? We're still talking about the game, right? If not, I don't get why you could be bothered.
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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:53 pm

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What about smurf?

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Smurf or lose? Smolo?

Molo sounds better
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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:53 pm

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In post 703, Pink Ball wrote:Hiiii just wanted to say that trying to make this place more welcoming for future generations is as important as appealing to people who's already here! If you don't see anyone who feels offended with the word "lynch", is probably because they already didn't feel welcomed and left! I really don't think there's someone in this entire site that would be offended by NOT using the word, that I'm certain. And if you are offended because of this change, because you feel it's unnecesary and the mods are messing with mafia history... well, I hope you can stay and see that this change won't affect mafia's gameplay as you think it could be! Because that's why you care right? We're still talking about the game, right? If not, I don't get why you could be bothered.
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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:54 pm

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In post 700, Dunnstral wrote:I wonder if mob mentality will attack post 697 like they've been attacking me

Probably not
Well DeathNote isn't acting like an idiot so I expect you guessed correctly.
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:54 pm

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By the by, fucking lol at Mr. "According to Webster, the definition of 'racism' is..." over there.
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:54 pm

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In post 700, Dunnstral wrote:I wonder if mob mentality will attack post 697 like they've been attacking me

Probably not
Just

Don't use the word lynch in mafia anymore. The inconvenience of this is nothing.

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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:54 pm

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In post 697, DeathNote wrote:
In post 677, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 674, DeathNote wrote:Because lots of black people died by racists white people.
Nobody here is arguing against saying 'died' though.
You're so right. In fact, why don't we still just keep calling Germans Nazi. Words are meaningless anyways right?
This??

Where DeathNote is being obviously sarcastic in order to prove a point?

Yeah. What a jerk that guy is. How dare he.

Like wtf do you mean Dunn?

And what, might I ask, is your problem with "Died"? We've let you know our issues with "Lynch" so please, respond in kind.
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:55 pm

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In post 651, Lycanfire wrote:It comes from "lynch law" which was vigilante justice carried out against blacks.
I don't think this is true?

Wikipedia (which in and of itself isn't 100% accurate b/c I think many ppl can edit. ) says "n 1782, Charles Lynch wrote that his assistant had administered Lynch's law to Tories "

tories are colonists that stayed true to the crown.

tories were not all black.

now true, it also does say

"for Dealing with the negroes &c".

in a way, this last part doesn't really make sense to me and seems just tacked on? I think that depending on your POV one will read this as "this is how the delt with negroes!" but that would contridict the first part that it was administered to torries. The first time I said it, the way I read it as "this is how they punished the torries that had delt/dealings with the negroes.

As for the other guy

"Lynch was not accused of racist bias. He acquitted blacks accused of murder on three separate occasions.[8][9] He was accused, however, of ethnic prejudice in his abuse of Welsh miners"

So he was more racist toward whites than blacks.
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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:55 pm

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Aaaaalso my suggestion would be using Pokémon lingo because it's kinda cute

"Pink Ball fainted!"

That way nobody dies and when the game ends we're all healthy again and ready for our next adventure!

(Also if you're so concerned about the lack of lynch terminology, you can always shout out loud "hang in there, X!")
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:56 pm

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But even supposing the word's origin wasn't racially based, the word's usage in the United States is INCREDIBLY and UNDENIABLY racially based.
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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:56 pm

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Expecting a lot of bans from this post TBH.
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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:56 pm

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In post 710, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 651, Lycanfire wrote:It comes from "lynch law" which was vigilante justice carried out against blacks.
I don't think this is true?

Wikipedia (which in and of itself isn't 100% accurate b/c I think many ppl can edit. ) says "n 1782, Charles Lynch wrote that his assistant had administered Lynch's law to Tories "

tories are colonists that stayed true to the crown.

tories were not all black.

now true, it also does say

"for Dealing with the negroes &c".

in a way, this last part doesn't really make sense to me and seems just tacked on? I think that depending on your POV one will read this as "this is how the delt with negroes!" but that would contridict the first part that it was administered to torries. The first time I said it, the way I read it as "this is how they punished the torries that had delt/dealings with the negroes.

As for the other guy

"Lynch was not accused of racist bias. He acquitted blacks accused of murder on three separate occasions.[8][9] He was accused, however, of ethnic prejudice in his abuse of Welsh miners"

So he was more racist toward whites than blacks.
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Post Post #715 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:57 pm

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Jesus wrong quote fuck
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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:58 pm

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In post 714, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 710, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 651, Lycanfire wrote:It comes from "lynch law" which was vigilante justice carried out against blacks.
I don't think this is true?

Wikipedia (which in and of itself isn't 100% accurate b/c I think many ppl can edit. ) says "n 1782, Charles Lynch wrote that his assistant had administered Lynch's law to Tories "

tories are colonists that stayed true to the crown.

tories were not all black.

now true, it also does say

"for Dealing with the negroes &c".

in a way, this last part doesn't really make sense to me and seems just tacked on? I think that depending on your POV one will read this as "this is how the delt with negroes!" but that would contridict the first part that it was administered to torries. The first time I said it, the way I read it as "this is how they punished the torries that had delt/dealings with the negroes.

As for the other guy

"Lynch was not accused of racist bias. He acquitted blacks accused of murder on three separate occasions.[8][9] He was accused, however, of ethnic prejudice in his abuse of Welsh miners"

So he was more racist toward whites than blacks.
you're so incredibly wrong i don't even know where to begin
I can help you.

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MORE racist to WHITES than BLACKS?

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Thats a good starting point for the bullshit.
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Post Post #717 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:58 pm

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In post 710, Nero Cain wrote:now true, it also does say

"for Dealing with the negroes &c".

in a way, this last part doesn't really make sense to me and seems just tacked on?
Enormously dumb.
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:58 pm

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In post 713, DoctorPepper wrote:Expecting a lot of bans from this post TBH.
I don't even care, I'll eat one happily for this.

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I now have a growing list.
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Post Post #719 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:00 pm

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In post 718, Aristophanes wrote:I don't even care, I'll eat one happily for this.
I'm with you on that this announcement really brought the roaches out.
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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:00 pm

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@Nero

I went over this when House brought this up in the original thread

This was my response
I said it may or may not be more credible that it was attributed to Charles Lynch

There's two cases involved

A----------------------B
Charles---------------William
Vigilante justice-------killing

If A, does "lynch" actually mean hang or kill, as it does in the context mafia uses it? In my opinion, no, as vigilante justice is a vague term. It could be applied to any crime. See theft for example: it could mean something like seizure of goods or loss of hands, both common punishments for theft in this time. If B, it was certainly directed upon a slave population. Even assuming Charles Lynch never used this "justice" in a racially charged manner, I argue it doesn't really make sense as a word, and made it's way in because somebody, just like myself, didn't understand the term, and it stuck. I'm not saying anyone has done anything wrong, I just don't think it makes sense to use.
In scenario A it would be argued that we would be "vigilante justicing" someone but we all know what we're really referring to is hanging them per the scenario B meaning.
Even if
the original meaning came to be from Charles Lynch "vigilante justice" isn't the most sensible term to use in place of what we refer to as "lynch".
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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:00 pm

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this whole thread tbh

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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:04 pm

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In post 556, Lycanfire wrote:I like "exile".
I mean on the other site I’m on.
They accept both “Lynch” or “Jettisoned”.
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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:05 pm

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Again, if you don't like this change you absolutely need to get over it. This is how it is now. All the bridges you're burning are accomplishing nothing.
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:08 pm

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In post 716, DeathNote wrote:MORE racist to WHITES than BLACKS?
welsh are white so...

Like I'm not arguing against the name change I just didn't like Lycans butchering of the history of the term lynch.
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