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In post 309, AniX wrote:Can you direct me to where I suggested any arguments on behalf of anyone else? I suggested that there were some people who were bent out of shape and to some degree angry and upset. I don't believe giving my impression of someone's state of mind quite rises to the level of a scarecrow. I didn't even name anyone, so if you are discussing it without being bent out of shape, angry, or upset...it doesn't apply to you?
In post 310, AniX wrote:Unless you believe I was legitimately suggesting that some people in this thread are motivated solely by their professional attachment to their dictionary work?
I don't think anyone is upset because they can't use the word lynch.
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Post #366 (isolation #1) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:38 pm
Postby scotmany12 »
In post 350, Enter wrote:If you're intending on banning me, here's a good last post for you:
I'm a member of the site because I enjoy playing mafia and I have friends here. I expect people who are in situations they disagree with to bring up their discontent and if it becomes obvious they are in a situation they cannot change, they should leave such a place. I have lived such behavior when I encountered unfathomably toxic mindsets in the Speakeasy and other parts of the site. It is apparent I am involved in such a situation again, so I will not be a game moderator given the petty censorship of site administration of game moderators. For this reason I intend to moderate no games. It doesn't matter what word or phrase the site decided it's game moderators could not use, and regardless of whether or not I was planning on using it anyways, I won't put myself in situations where I have to deal with people like that.
You are throwing a hissy fit because you are no longer allowed to use a word with a lot of racist, hurtful history behind it. Honestly says a lot about you.
In post 350, Enter wrote:If you're intending on banning me, here's a good last post for you:
I'm a member of the site because I enjoy playing mafia and I have friends here. I expect people who are in situations they disagree with to bring up their discontent and if it becomes obvious they are in a situation they cannot change, they should leave such a place. I have lived such behavior when I encountered unfathomably toxic mindsets in the Speakeasy and other parts of the site. It is apparent I am involved in such a situation again, so I will not be a game moderator given the petty censorship of site administration of game moderators. For this reason I intend to moderate no games. It doesn't matter what word or phrase the site decided it's game moderators could not use, and regardless of whether or not I was planning on using it anyways, I won't put myself in situations where I have to deal with people like that.
You are throwing a hissy fit because you are no longer allowed to use a word with a lot of racist, hurtful history behind it. Honestly says a lot about you.
No, I'm not.
You cancelled a game because you can't use a racist word.
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Post #537 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:37 pm
Postby scotmany12 »
In post 531, Alisae wrote:okay hear me out
what if
I want to play a game of mafia
and not have to have politics shoved down my throat
because when I want to play mafia
I want to escape from the real world political drama
Being asked to not use a word that has racist connotations is not "having politics shoved down your throat."
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Post #606 (isolation #6) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:39 pm
Postby scotmany12 »
In post 565, Alisae wrote:Let's be real here.
If we actually cared about this, people would have persued asking site administration to make this change a long time ago.
In fact, Lycan did that and I just remembered that that thread even existed.
If people cared, they would have said something.
Holy shit this is such a dumb post. Yes..this change probably should have happened a long time ago. For the record, I'm guilty of this. I didn't realize how uncomfortable that word can be for some people. But now I do. And if there is even one person who is on this site or who might join this site that is repulsed by our use of that word (ftr, looking back, its disgusting that we used it in the first place) then that's enough to have people stop using it.
If you're enjoyment of mafia is so entrenched is the usage of the word "lynch," then honestly just leave this website. At best you are willfully ignorant even after people are trying to explain things to you.
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Post #614 (isolation #7) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:53 pm
Postby scotmany12 »
In post 611, MariaR wrote:This is not a thread to attack people or their stances on the matter. If you have such strong grievances with a post or a user please use the report function. This thread is open for explanation and tame discussion. Let's keep it that way.
Calling people out for their racist beliefs is not attacking people.
In post 611, MariaR wrote:This is not a thread to attack people or their stances on the matter. If you have such strong grievances with a post or a user please use the report function. This thread is open for explanation and tame discussion. Let's keep it that way.
Calling people out for their racist beliefs is not attacking people.
If you believe someone has racist beliefs or is showing them please use the report function. Do not handle the issue here.
Why can we, as a community, not publicly call out racists? Do we actually want them to be in this community?
In post 611, MariaR wrote:This is not a thread to attack people or their stances on the matter. If you have such strong grievances with a post or a user please use the report function. This thread is open for explanation and tame discussion. Let's keep it that way.
Calling people out for their racist beliefs is not attacking people.
If you believe someone has racist beliefs or is showing them please use the report function. Do not handle the issue here.
Why can we, as a community, not publicly call out racists? Do we actually want them to be in this community?
Just because someone has a diffrent opinion does not make them racist, nor does anyone want a racist here. But considering this is a sensitive case just calling someone a racist/making the assumption in the thread is the wrong way to go about it.
Which is all the more reason for a discussion to happen about whether their argument that seems racist actually is, rather than simply reporting them.
I'm not arguing against that as long as we're not calling the user in question a racist so loosely. If we're going to make a serious conversation the words you're saying should match it. Calling someone racist is a very serious remark.
This conversation is literally centered around a racist word
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Post #670 (isolation #11) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:36 pm
Postby scotmany12 »
I am a white, straight male. I have never experienced any type of racism or prejudice. I am privileged.
I don't think we, as a community, should just simply report posts we see as racists. We should call them out publicly.
If someone is hiding behind "free speech" or "culture" as a reason for allowing lynching to still be allowed in this site, you are using that as an excuse for you true agenda. Instead, you are racist.
If you, as a mod, think what I said was just wrong, then please ban me. You are part of the problem and should not be allowed to mod this site.
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Post #728 (isolation #12) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:15 pm
Postby scotmany12 »
In post 725, Nero Cain wrote:like "lynch" basically gets the swastika treatment. It was a Hindu symbol with no negative connotations to until Hitler abused it and ruined it for us all. Lynch is the same way, its just vig "justice" without a trail but the KKK ruined it so yea...
And you shouldn't use a swastika at all anymore.....bruh
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Post #741 (isolation #16) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:21 pm
Postby scotmany12 »
In post 740, Umlaut wrote:Kind of seems like people are imputing opinions to Nero that he hasn't expressed, because he had a quibble regarding the details of the word's historical origin
It's almost like he shouldn't have had a quibble like that in the first place
In post 740, Umlaut wrote:Kind of seems like people are imputing opinions to Nero that he hasn't expressed, because he had a quibble regarding the details of the word's historical origin
It's almost like he shouldn't have had a quibble like that in the first place
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Post #756 (isolation #19) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:28 pm
Postby scotmany12 »
In post 751, Porkens wrote:You know what it says in the encyclopedia about Brazil? Here’s Wikipédia:
Brazil was inhabited by numerous tribal nations prior to the landing in 1500 of explorer Pedro Álvares Cabral, who claimed the area for the Portuguese Empire. Brazil remained a Portuguese colony until 1808, when the capital of the empire was transferred from Lisbon to Rio de Janeiro. In 1815, the colony was elevated to the rank of kingdom upon the formation of the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves. Independence was achieved in 1822 with the creation of the Empire of Brazil, a unitary state governed under a constitutional monarchy and a parliamentary system. The ratification of the first constitution in 1824 led to the formation of a bicameral legislature, now called the National Congress. The country became a presidential republic in 1889 following a military coup d'état. An authoritarian military junta came to power in 1964 and ruled until 1985, after which civilian governance resumed. Brazil's current constitution, formulated in 1988, defines it as a democratic federal republic.[17] Due to its rich culture and history, the country ranks thirteenth in the world by number of UNESCO World Heritage Sites.[18]
Well they shouldn’t be fuckin racist.
We are all the fuckin same thing.
And no one should be fuckin offended by stuff that isn’t actually racist.
Just because you can find something that can make the “term” appear to be racist doesn’t mean it is.
He's talking about you, bud.
Well he wasn't actually included cause i just assumed they are and edgy 14 year old troll but sure include them too.
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Post #787 (isolation #24) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:41 pm
Postby scotmany12 »
In post 784, AniX wrote:Words evolve. That we now call the thing that moves a cursor on the computer a mouse is highly relevant, despite the original definition being a small rodent. In this case, it evolves to a very specific, very racial definition that came so pervasive in the United States it hasn't simply existed alongside the generic definition but all but replaced it.
In post 761, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Just because you can find something that can make the “term” appear to be racist doesn’t mean it is.
Are those quotes meant to imply that lynch isn't actually a term.
The term lynch fuckin means executing someone.
That’s fuckin it.
Like I’m the Cowboy times the sheriff would tie a knot in the rope and hang bad guys for their wrong doings.
Just because other events happened using that is irrelevant.
Anyone can be hanged. It’s not limited to any specific individual.
Why is the other events that have come to replace the original definition with a more specific race-based definition in the United States irrelevant?
Because it can happen to
ANYONE
and that’s my point!
As such, you might as well ban everything.
Let's just clarify this right now. Do you think it is okay to just casually use the word lynch?
In post 761, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Just because you can find something that can make the “term” appear to be racist doesn’t mean it is.
Are those quotes meant to imply that lynch isn't actually a term.
The term lynch fuckin means executing someone.
That’s fuckin it.
Like I’m the Cowboy times the sheriff would tie a knot in the rope and hang bad guys for their wrong doings.
Just because other events happened using that is irrelevant.
Anyone can be hanged. It’s not limited to any specific individual.
Why is the other events that have come to replace the original definition with a more specific race-based definition in the United States irrelevant?
Because it can happen to
ANYONE
and that’s my point!
As such, you might as well ban everything.
Let's just clarify this right now. Do you think it is okay to just casually use the word lynch?
Yes.
And any word you want to use to indicate someone is being killed.
It doesn’t matter. It’s the same thing.
idk, history matters or some such. There really shouldn't be this much backlash over me just correcting Lycan. I'm glad I did though b/c I found some truly discussing people.
As far as I can tell, your first two posts in this thread were defending people who still wanted to use this word. You then tried to derail this thread into a history lesson that totally misses the point. Yeah. Says a lot about you.
In post 794, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Well everything that’s bad.
Can’t wait till Murder becomes racist lol.
Wonder if by then people will realize they are over reacting and aren’t actually understanding the point of what “Racism” actually means
Man the confidence of idiots.
I’ll wait till you read this in a thousand years time in multiple other lifetimes.
Your post would then change to.
“Man the people including me at that time weren’t as knowledgeably developed as I am now. Is TSE some kind of astronomical accident?”
The answer is maybe. Btw.
I'm just saying, like, there's a time and a place.
Read the room.
If someone comes in and goes "oh hey guys, lynchings was about blaq punishment!" despite the fact that it was first used against tories in the revolutionary war. So yes, it's a perfect fucking time to correct him. And I absolutely should not be getting flack for it.
In post 600, Nero Cain wrote:I'm curious, who here is actually offended by the word "lynch"?
null question
In post 441, Nero Cain wrote:lynch is just death without a trial. I don't think the word itself is racist but I can certainly understand how history has given the word lynch a racist connotation. Also its just a game guys.
here I state that I don't believe that the word is racist but I said that I understood why people may not like the word. Neither of these were "fighting against" the rule change or anything like that.
The word is racist. Stop acting like it isn't. Thanks for showing your true colors btw.
And I'm sorry, it wasn't your first two posts. Just two that caught my eye. I sincerely apologize for using the wrong number. Yes, I am being sarcastic.
kinda? like its "our" site for "us". In my mind, it would make
A LOT
more sense if the reason for the rule change is that the majority of the players actually didn't want the word lynch to be used. I also think that most players know that when we say "we want to lynch you" or "X has been lynched d1" our intent isn't racist. And I was just curious so eh?
no one is? And if anyone was it's not gonna have any (or very little effect) I mean, I guess you could argue that Alysaa and ABR are fighting it but mods are gonna do what mods are gonna want.
but by removing the term "lynch" we've already lost ABR and potentially Alyssa.
No one should be upset that we lost ABR and (i'm assuming) Alisae. They have made their points perfectly clear. And you shouldn't even worry about the intent behind the word. It's a racist word. We as a website need to stop using it. Everyone. Not just mods.
In post 836, Kerset wrote:So it is fine to roleplay as mafia but it is not fine to roleplay public executions? We are talking here about organized crime, which is associated with sex slavery, distribution of drugs and illegal guns or assassinations. At this point i could replace lynch with slaughter and people would find it more appropriate...
you're right, good job, people would find it way more tolerable
you caught on quicker than most of this thread
We should totally change our name to WerewolfRiffRaff though
In post 838, scotmany12 wrote:The word is racist. Stop acting like it isn't. Thanks for showing your true colors btw.
holy shit it's not. It0 just means mob violence without a trial. I'm acknowledging that b/c of the way lynches have been used I can understand why it would offend and upset someone. If you need to call me racist b/c I have a different opinion than you, fine.
In post 1069, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:And any argument that we should somehow keep using a word that will harmful just because we have used it for so long is the same as saying it is okay to glorify a racist with a statue or name a military base after a confederate general.
Just because it is history doesn't mean we should glorify it with public use.
No one wants to glorify a word, we just want to keep using it as it is the most practical.
This is some real "but my southern heritage" bullshit
