As promised, my response to nuriens. You’ll note that I don’t bother arguing when he has tried to “clarify” things I didn’t list as scumtells, though I’m still laughing that he attempted to disprove one of the few things that might lead me to believe he is town.
nuriens wrote:I DIDNT MENTION ANYONE AS POSSIBLY IMPLICATED IN 38-39.
I guess I misread this part, and will concede the point. On first read, your “I want to hear more from” sounded like a call-out. One scumtell withdrawn.
nuriens wrote:It is not "my declared townies, yourself and the lead suspect". It is "my declared townies (if you want to call them that way, that is ok) and MY TWO SUSPECTS.
This doesn’t change the fact that your “two suspects” were on two sides of a debate, which was my point in identifying them. This would be the same as another player shedding implicit suspicion on both you and I right now. Wouldn’t you find that suspicious?
nuriens wrote:My vote was on you among the three of them due to a "random" reason, so I wanted to point out that the reason was partially random.
There is no such thing as partially random. Calling a vote partially random is a tactic that allows one to pursue it if the town agrees or abandon it if the town finds it suspicious.
nuriens wrote:You are very fast in making conclusions. I am not, and I like to see the game developing. So I took a solid stance. But for you, solid stance maybe is a different thing.
This is about #105-107. You make statements that seem torn between myself and Pope as the scum choice, still ready to spring on whichever side of that debate the town leans towards. Your suspicion increases on Pope, following the town’s current lean. Meanwhile you introduce suspicion on Sim and place those FoSes, which has the effect of giving another either-or choice. This is what I mean when I say you are not taking a stance. Saying, explicitly, that you find one of us scummy and pursuing that one would be harmful to you as scum, especially early in the game.
A townie isn’t afraid to change his mind later. A mafioso is.
nuriens wrote:I do not see here your point about "minimizing" my own suspicions.
“...probably because my suspicions on all of you are milder than hers...” and “of course, this is only my opinion...”
nuriens wrote:Eluding that sim is scum and pope town ? where have you read that?
"Oh congratulations, People is wrong and you appear as being correct after the lynch of an innocent..."
nuriens wrote:"too rational to be a townie" argument ??
Maybe you are too inexperienced to understand this one entirely, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. No matter how it is phrased, and argument that comes to the conclusion “so-and-so is either a stupid/irrational/etc townie or a mafioso” is likely to make the subject, regardless of their alignment, freak out and seem scummier. It does this by creating the illusion that they must either admit to being scum or admit to being your pejorative, thereby strongly involving the ego. By town, this argument should only be used if you are
absolutely certain
the person is anti-town which is pretty unlikely this early (and you said you were not). As scum, it’s a very useful tactic. And I notice that you’ve now used it again, against me.
nuriens wrote:1. He misquoted.
2. He accused (Cass and Me) of him having backtracked.
3. It was pretty clear that neither Cass nor me had done.
1. This could be a scum move, or it could have been a mistake, or laziness. He didn't actually attribute the quote to you, he just neglected to attribute it to her.
2. He did no such thing. Cass accused him of setting up a backtrack, he said "Show where I've backtracked," to point out that her hypothetical accusation was meaningless.
3. Agreed, but this doesn't matter if you read what Sim said in the correct context.
Also, why are you so concerned that Sim put you and Cass on the same team?
nuriens wrote:With respect to the misquote, which one is it ?? I havent misquoted in 146...
Actually, my mistake. I was confused by Ecto speaking of himself in the third person. At least now I know you're paying attention.
nuriens wrote:Clearly, my read on Cass was based in our Simenon experience, in which I perceived that she was scum-hunting. Very different to Simenon on TPT that was simply "tpt is town", totally baseless...and that curiously, u dont find scummy
Sim didn’t give a read. He gave an opinion without trying to disguise it as a read. You tried to base a READ on the fact that Cass was attacking a suspect of yours and you agreed with her. For your read to be valid, we have to assume that (1) you are town, (2) Sim’s action was scummy and (3) Cass is not manipulating you. That’s a lot of assumption and, to me, #2 is clearly not true.
Now... on to current matters...