Open 788 - Crossfire - Game Over

[Ruby Red]

Votecount 1.4

Target	Wagon
innocentvillager (L-2)	Marksman, WeyounsLastClone, Lavender, hellbooks, Chemical Elements, Nono
Nono (L-2)	Isis, innocentvillager, Chemical Elements, Hiraki, WeyounsLastClone, Elements
Isis (L-4)	innocentvillager, Marksman, Chemical Elements, Elements
hellbooks (L-5)	Hiraki, innocentvillager, Elements
Lavender (L-5)	innocentvillager, hellbooks, Chemical Elements
WeyounsLastClone (L-5)	innocentvillager, Marksman, Nono
spicer1209 (L-5)	innocentvillager, Chemical Elements, Marksman
Casey (L-5)	innocentvillager, Chemical Elements, Marksman
Marksman (L-6)	Hiraki, innocentvillager
Hayasaka (L-6)	innocentvillager, Marksman
Hiraki (L-7)	Marksman
Chemical Elements (L-7)	innocentvillager
ileileile (L-7)	innocentvillager
Not Voting (4)	spicer1209, Casey, Hayasaka, ileileile

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[hellbooks]

Not to sure about hellbooks, do we really need 6 posts in a row with varying content? Could be eager crazy town, there were some funny posts and decent points

any and all criticism about my spamposting is immediately ignored when i read the phrase "funny posts" it echoes around and around getting louder and louder, i am lost in thought, imagining myself going on stage to accept the "Funniest Poster" award, all semblance of scumhunting falls by the wayside

every time i check this thread i random . org a random number between 1 and 7000 and resolve to make that many posts in a row in fact we have been getting incredibly lucky to only be getting the Low Numbers

I'm liking Chem Elem

but actually, nah-- overposting votecounts + voting mostly lurkers comeon. time is of the essence and hes wasting it
VOTE: Chem elem
good nickname tho : )

[Hiraki]

Vote: Isis

[hellbooks]

I have an idea on how to figure some things out, but it only works if innocentvillager flips mafia. If he doesn't flip mafia, I am at a loss.

tthis is like so bad

UNVOTE: innocent villager

[hellbooks]

Now I am coming around to the conclusion that Marksman and Hiraki have conflicting playstyles and that is what is causing the conflict.

shutting down avenues of inquiry

[hellbooks]

VOTE: innocent villager
actually im still fine w this

[Hayasaka]

Ok so I thinking joining this game when I am hard pressed to form scum reads was likely a bad idea.

VOTE: Chemical Elements
VOTE: WeyounsLastClone

I like these 2 votes in particular, I don't have any strong town reads.
Chemical Elements is playing like a wolf would I don't like the enterance voting 6 people, wolves tend to try and form wolf reads more aggressively because they think they have to, Weyouns town read Chemical for a very bad and null enterance, essentially 2 posts at time.

[Hayasaka]

Also hot take, Marksman as your only target as scum feels like a weird place to be as scum.
Nono is probably actually going to flip town.

[Marksman]

Wey could've answered in the following ways:
-They haven't posted yet. Lurking is scummy. (This would be fine)
-I didn't realise they hadn't posted yet, whoops. (This would be scummy)

Those are the two I can think of, but the point isn't how I think he could answer. I'm asking him a question to see how he answers and so that I can read his alignment off of that.

I don't think Hiraki is scummy for our disagreements on pressure/suspicion - I agree with Chelem that it's likely a result of conflicting playstyle. However, I do think he's scummy for assuming Wey could only answer that question in one way, and answering it for him. Unsure if that means they're both scum, because it's such a needless way to associate yourself, but it's just

weird

and kinda scummy from Hiraki.

[Marksman]

ahahahaha "NoNo",, caught scum, deadsheep me
trust you, marksie

v/la 18 hours

kbai

meh, don't actually trust marksie

*sigh*

Nono's nulltown because of this sequence. They say I'm town and then come back 20min later to say they changed their mind. town do these kind of consecutive posts where they change their mind with no posts from others between them more often than scum do.

[Marksman]

UNVOTE: Hayasaka

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: innocent villager
actually im still fine w this

why did you unvote me when Chemical Elements said something scummy and not vote Chemical Elements

i don't understand!!

[innocentvillager]

I'm curious who is voting me because for lolz and who is voting for me because they genuinely think I will flip red

[innocentvillager]

Nono's nulltown because of this sequence. They say I'm town and then come back 20min later to say they changed their mind. town do these kind of consecutive posts where they change their mind with no posts from others between them more often than scum do.

how do you feel about hellbook's most recent sequence?

[Marksman]

Can't apply the same logic. Only a couple of min between them and it looks like she was catching up. The key element in Nono's is that they thought about it in that 20min gap, or thought of coming back because they changed their mind while thinking about it.

[Hiraki]

-I didn't realise they hadn't posted yet, whoops. (This would be scummy)

There it is ladies and gentlemen! The Pineapples answer! 2 + 2 = Pineapples!

[Marksman]

I think you're scummy because your tone sounded off early on. Like a little over the top and forced.

[Marksman]

^That's to inno

[WeyounsLastClone]

@Wey - Half (3) of the names in 66 hadn't posted yet, how can you find them suspicious?

Okay, it seems this has sparked a bit of discussion which I guess is a good thing. Thanks everyone trying to read my mind (I would not try to with the chaos inside though...), but I'll try to detail my thoughts myself as well. The people I found most suspicious at that point were Nono, innocentvillager, Iris, and hellbrooks. From ChemElements in post #66 list I found Nono, innocentvillager, and Iris suspicious amongst the active posters, so those were most names I had on my list. Granted, Nono's suspicion based on his posts/activity came only after post #66, but when determining scum/town reads in my head someone who voted for Nono helped categorize as Town.

The other three votes in #66 were on people who had not posted, which although is not a scumread or particular townie, is a valid reason to vote/pressure (although might have been good to add that as reason to the post). It's been quite a while since I played any mafiagame, but back in the day I think laying low helped me more as scum than as town.

[Marksman]

Do you have meta of you being like this early on in town games of yours, Inno?

Thanks, Wey. Unfortunately I won't be able to gauge much from that in terms of your alignment after the 2 page discussion about how you could answer and what would be scummy/towny

[Hiraki]

Yeah Wey! Why didn't you say that you didn't realize that they didn't post yet!? Not like that would be a universally terrible answer to do or anything!

[Marksman]

Aww, gotta love the show of support from Hiraki. What a wholesome anime guy

[hellbooks]

UNVOTE: Hayasaka

towny unvote

why did you unvote me when Chemical Elements said something scummy and not vote Chemical Elements

i'm hella voting chem elem in fact i would be most happy with him dying first
that being said ya -- i'm pretty undecided on your slot obv. Mostly it's the whole Hiraki business seems like a comfortable niche to situate yourself if you're scum + your attitude seems like it's kind of consciously charismatic in that disarming way. Nothing like strongly scum indicative I'm just thinking it could be valid for a scum profile, so i think you're a better candidate for vote than most of the other people who posted (but i'd be more happy with chem / lavender dying as i think their content is just all around weak)

[hellbooks]

towny unvote

should clarify that i dont think hayasaka is town tho

[Ruby Red]

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