Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Menalque]

Okay I think I’m at like

Dann, teacher - town
Umlaut, haven
Testa - townlean
Dunn - basically null but marginally above the other two
Gypx, A50 - null
Crush - true null
Dram - scummy
Hikari - scum

[Menalque]

I’d like to see crush slot post and I still want to hear from dunn and A50

I am like above average confident that hiraki is scum at this point, I’m less sure on dram

[Menalque]

Your reasoning is weird, but the conclusion is sound, so IDC

Namely I’m like, uncertain that scum make posts where they kind of brazenly ignore reasoning like this? At the least I don’t think dram is scum with hiraki I suppose 2nd scunteam maybe would explain it

[dramonic]

I like how all the scum is in your top 4 town reads.

[Menalque]

You keep saying things like this and I just have no idea why you think I would trust that to be accurate/correct

[Menalque]

Oh, I forgot marashu, he’s also in null for now

[Hiraki]

You keep saying things like this and I just have no idea why you think I would trust that to be accurate/correct

Not sure why you'd also be thinking about why someone that you've pegged as scum(my) would have correct reads!

[Menalque]

I genuinely have no idea what you’re trying to say

[Hiraki]

Why would you think that Dram, who is scummy, would give out correct reads?

[dramonic]

You keep saying things like this and I just have no idea why you think I would trust that to be accurate/correct

What makes you think I care about the trust of scum?

[Almost50]

At this point I’d like to hear from dunn, A50, and umlaut

Ahem.. *clears throat* This next song is dedicated to Menalque:

Spoiler:

[teacher]

Could everyone kindly drop the "why would I engage with scum?" bit.

[dramonic]

I wish someone town would ask

[teacher]

So why am I scum? (yes, I know you dont have to convince me Im scum, Im more just trying to get to the mindset behind your takes)

[dramonic]

That entire argument between Teacher, Dann and Hiraki felt amusingly phony, but ya gotta appear like you're doing something or people will catch on amirite?

All words and no concrete content.

[dramonic]

There's no solid stance at any point. It's all "I sorta see it but maybe not teehee" kind of stuff.

[teacher]

Could you try this again. I can’t parse your narrative at all, and want to.

there is nothing to rephrase here

I dont follow all of the "person" and who they refer to in how you perceive the events. I will now open it up to anyone at all though -- can someone translate Hiraki's words that are quoted in my 221 in a way that I can understand, if you think you do?

What specifically was the reaction test - who did it and how?

did you read the wiki?

I did. Could you now answer the question, and answer what your take is on Menalque and why?

[Almost50]

I’d like to see crush slot post and I still want to hear from dunn and A50

I know this is the same session (at least for me) but I want you to NOT expect much from me at this time still. You know well (ar at least should) that I don't enter the game guns blazing (unless I am a replacement who got it with lots of substance readily available). You should be happy I am -at least- not meme'ing and shitposting enough. My mind is "elsewhere" for now, but I am "watching from the sideline" and will probably jump in sometime soon.

[teacher]

There's no solid stance at any point. It's all "I sorta see it but maybe not teehee" kind of stuff.

That's fair. I think testarossa got my subtext fairly right. I tend to agree with the angle-shoot reasoning, and found Hiraki scummier as the conversation went on -- I saw him as picking and choosing parts of the conversation to respond to, while not answering the core question in both my and Dann's posts of why he thought Menalque was scum beyond the purported overreation. I kept trying to steer the conversation to a firm Menalque read, and never got one. It was an irritating conversation, but I need to reread my two past games with Hiraki to remember whether they are generally this obstinate as a personality or if it is different here.

I dont have any thoughts at all on your Haven posts -- nothing they posted stuck with me/rubbed me as a read, but with your quote on the winrate stuff I could at least see what you were thinking and liked that, fwiw.

[Almost50]

Oh, I forgot marashu, he’s also in null for now

What shade ofr null is that? You seem to have 3 null categories.

[Menalque]

Oh, I forgot marashu, he’s also in null for now

What shade ofr null is that? You seem to have 3 null categories.

The same one as you + gypx

[Menalque]

Why would you think that Dram, who is scummy, would give out correct reads?

I wouldn’t? But like I don’t see why he, regardless of alignment, would expect anyone to listen to him if he’s just asserting things?

[Almost50]

You keep saying things like this and I just have no idea why you think I would trust that to be accurate/correct

Not sure why you'd also be thinking about why someone that you've pegged as scum(my) would have correct reads!

I believe dram was more pointing it out to use as further evidence. I do not necessarily agree with his reads, but I -at least- "think" I get his thoughts on this one. (Been there, done that)

[Almost50]

You keep saying things like this and I just have no idea why you think I would trust that to be accurate/correct

Not sure why you'd also be thinking about why someone that you've pegged as scum(my) would have correct reads!

Oh, shit. MY BAD. I somehow thought you were asking

dram

that.

[teacher]

The only ISO that I actually had to reread after catching up was teacher's.

On first glance I liked you interrogating Hiraki about several points. But on second thought I don't really get out of your participation in this where you stand in all of this? Like I get Mena's and Dann's angle in this as they are scumreading Hiraki, but what about you? Your questions are focussed only on Hiraki in this, so I assume you are more or less on the same wavelength with them? (it's what I interpret between the lines)

What did you mean with Mena harping too much over this issue in 185?

Yea, I had a scum tingles on Hiraki but wanted to try to understand him, and was trying to limit the inflection of my own views to avoid the "wont interact with scum/people thinking Im scum" routine while getting my questions answered. I found my self hard vibing with Dann when he joined the interchange, so I agree with your interpretation.

As for Mena harping a lot on it, 135 159 and 183 struck me as a lot of appeals to outside adjudicators. I liked the first one, but by the last it seemed to get kinda....much/overly directing attention?