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[2] word321: clidd, Dannflor [2] Isis: Green Crayons, word321 [1] Green Crayons: Cthylla [1] Cthylla: Hayasaka [1] Dannflor: Isis [2] Not Voting: NorwegianboyEE, WaltertheDunce10 With 9 still with us, it takes 5 votes to condemn someone to Hell.

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[Hayasaka]

I am now back, I will catch up soon young ones.

[clidd]

Hum.

[clidd]

I would like to see more opinions in Word's posts before commenting.

Particularly, I find his interpretive reasoning different from the town!Word that I know.

[Hayasaka]

Spoiler: stuff before 151 i looked at

I need to know if you're kidding or not about your guessing skilz.
Cause uh my readrate is etto really bad on Hectic right now, like really bad, and I would kind of like to policy heaven that.

if it means you'll policy heaven me then i am obviously Hectic friend : )

idk ok I know this already when through a rebuttal but I still feel like it's iffy
it's a bit of false equivalency about heaven being strictly positive in general when it's a lot easier to view it that way for scum.
Like as town, there is no difference between "being in heaven" and "not being in heaven yet"
It's still super weak and kind of a page 2 thing
but i'm starting form the beginning so yer

I need to know if you're kidding or not about your guessing skilz.
Cause uh my readrate is etto really bad on Hectic right now, like really bad, and I would kind of like to policy heaven that.

if it means you'll policy heaven me then i am obviously Hectic friend : )

Historically towns playing this setup that have heavened scum early have won, so you shouldn't be smiley if you're town. That's what I was part of last time.

Does this mean I actually finished a game without you playing in it or spectating it, Hectic?

really ??? that's surprising
is that cuz of flip and associations?
obv heavening town and helling scum is better EV though ...

ok actually this completely obviates my point cause then his level of perception of the setup is actually at ground zero for sure

and this isn't categorically something that gets faked because it's theory

Hectic wanna see a cute waifu magic card I spent all my birthday money on

Whether or not I see a picture of a Japanese Narset in your upcoming post will determine how I read you moving forward.

pedit: Hmmm

i feel the need to nerd, and say, that this post would be scummy if I had posted a picture of progenitus, who is also very appendagey and big, and awesome, and one of my favorites, because she kind of telegraphed a splerurge of alignment expository posting in response to me failing to post narset

BUT
butBUTbut
Narset and Emrakul are both weird denial "you don't get to do whats you want to do" cards
which justifies her hmm
because i posted something narset adjacent
emrakul dumps all the cards out of your hands when during the controlled turn, narset just says on the card for your opponent to skip some draws
it is a similar effect
and they are both strong independent females
who have been banned or restricted in at least one format for being so mean and good at denying cards (Emrakul was banned from standard right after i spent so much birthday money on her, narset parter of veils is restricted to 1 per deck in vintage ruleset)

Isis you just ignored my question in favour of talking about cards. WHY is your text Purply?

Hectic said this was scummy
And I think Norwee always interacts with people over nai garbage at the beginning over game
and then i think oh also norwee is always scum in every game you've played so far.
So I guess I don't really know? but ignoringt he person it just looks like a question that was probably going to get ignored if he didn't ask again

i was planing to talk about
the kaladesh
next

Ok if that won't push me to pull the trigger nothing will

I will not actually regret this decision

When I opened Amazon they were sitting in my cart, right where I've had them ambivalently for three months, on the precipice of my desire

One day I will join you! Can't really play magic right now though and I like buying from my store
My sleeves have collected a lot of dust over the past 5 months of shuffling waiting for the world to open up again.

IMAGE

sober me composed this post earlier and backspaced but drunk me offers more unsolicited advice : my local game store owner made it clear on War of Spark release that he will have little to no availability of anime art planeswalker because it only comes out of boxes you buy in japan and buying drugdealzy boxes from japan just so people might buy anime art singles isnt as good a deal as just sticking with american inventory. so you might not be able to support your local game store with respect to anime planeswalker purchases (you might! but, maybe not)
I am waiting for the stores to open up to buy Ox of Agonas for my dredge deck from my local store even though I am tempted to order it and feel like I have it in my pocket cause i want to support.

No one else is giving me a vibe they are actually trying to town tell.
Honestly,VOTE: Cthylla is probably the worse offender of the 2.


Everyone else seems very mellow to me so I don't have super strong opinions across the board on them.

this didn't occur to me on first readhtrough but on second did you know have you played with hectic and his kind of default status is is "is trying to towntell"? certainly as scum too but like
he always has that vibe
he starts the game and he says
I want to be the cat that runs up the tree not that cat that didn't
AND HE HAS AN ADORABLE KITTEN NOW!!!!!
so anyway i would tempoer your assessment if you'ven't played him

Norwee is fun to bully
it is not strange to bully Norwee in any context

I see.

Bully noewee is terrible
Why bully in life.
VOTE: isis

This post was a little disconcerting cause i'm always worried about stuf that does this dance of being ambiguous of whether it should be counted for tally for solving

Does that make sense?
I want walter to be town cause he is new to site
welcome walter
pls to solve and this goes for word321 too, try not to think about strategies and just play the way to express your alignment
i have been using this word more lately express your alignment
it feels pretty

Everyone else seems very mellow to me so I don't have super strong opinions across the board on them.

I am very hurt by that Hayasaka.

I am sorry Norwei I didn't mean to do that to you
I appreciate everything you have done so far!

mm what would you say he had done so far by here?

I don't want to send Isis anywhere I want her to stay in purgatory so she can share more cat pictures

This is weekly town indicative
because as a slip Dannflor is contemplating being in the thread with me, which means he is not devoting much mentals space to getting heavened (as a scum goal) or helled(as a scum fear) early
UNVOTE:
I didn't notice it the second time i noticed it the first time
I was busy ok
I wanna scumbin dannflor for two consecutive pages one day :/

VOTE: Green Crayons

don't like his entrance
agreeing with Hayasaka on a questionable theory
voting Isis for disliking her font
the theory is bad because Isis's entrance isn't different from her norm
also people post for fun
like Isis entered like this in her last game of achievement hunting

it's a good theory in the sense that it is a towny theory

i agree
Hayasaka is cool for it

I still don't have heads or tails of this sequence where the Hayasaka theory was both bad and good?

I am now alive.

This is a good mafia game no matter what happens from here

Green Crayons has played with Isis before !
the "happy with my vote" bit i didn't like
don't know why but maybe cuz it feels like he's putting unreasonable confidence in something which doesn't warrant it?

i should know isis's early game play from playing one game with her = dumb take

also lol i forgot how she entered that game, and also it's not comparable to here so = double dumb take

"happy with my vote" as in, i'm happy to take hay's theory down the Isis chute in responding to why hay wanted to go the Cth route

Is the difference between the Isis chute and the Cth chute font??
there's nothing more in your posts that i can find
what's the deal
I only figured out the "chutes" the second time
chutes and ladders

I like cats
Ur fonts look horrible in sepia
Maybe Ill get used to it

But lets get the ball roling
Has anyone played on this setup before?
Are there any strategies regarding this? As mafia and as town

Since there are no PRs, I guess a lot of traditional strategy is discarded here

I think scum would prefer to take a role assignment to "bitcher" or "nonbitcher" like GC or Cyth and I kind of like appreciating half the wincon-perpendicular behavior and complaining about half.
I think this entrance was objectively better than walter's
which means it was subjectively better but I am being superlative
which is annoying
have you even met someone who uses "literally" as their only superlative
and some people sprinkle "literally" in as a superlative that's normal
but one someone has no superlatives but that one
after a while you start to htink
"what this word actually means is exactly, in a way that is not superlative at all. When you say the taco form taco bell is literally mud in a roll of kleenex, you are incorrect because kleenex was not used."
Anyway I just did the same thing bad me

Has anyone played on this setup before?
Are there any strategies regarding this? As mafia and as town

I have. In another forum.
I played as scum in a 5 man team. D1 we bussed 1 scum, and then consequently heavened 2 people. We needed 1 moe but after that we got screwed by associations. It’s a hard setup for scum so i’m assuming they will try to muddy associations. Town should just play like town, not much difference there.

That is good to know.
Even though I have not played this setup at all.
I did some reading of the setup and I am thinking during heaven phase we should be careful with e-1 since scum will have incentive to self-hammer.
Also pressure votes too.
In your game norwee did that occur?

yeah so I referenced earlierer towards walter about setup strat talk
this shit is largely irrelevant
compared to townread some towny people and scumread some scummy people

Replying to this nicely was absurdly annoying to format so I will just not do it. So I am just going to reply to the parts that involve me.


This is a very good post, I think the anaylsis here is very much on point.
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I checked my stores online store and Narset was both expensive and out of stock, so I will probably avoid making that purchase in hindsite. I also want to make sure I still am using the deck which will help me decide if I want one copy or 2/3. We will see but I agree I shouldn't keep my hopes up.
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For the sake of the alt, let's say I am not experienced with Hectic because I don't want to delve into meta beyond the initial read I gave. The idea behind testing reads like this is that the number I found which shows entering threads like that indicate someone is more likely to be scum is a statistic that would include individual playstyles. Although I agree maybe I should do more then just play a game of statistics and just start yoinking people. I guess we will see by the end of this catch up where my vote lies.
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I was being nice to Norwei he hasn't given me a very strong impression either way. Which could be town indicative in this setup I guess? He does need to end up endgaming somehow if he is scum. But I don't really have a good read on the slot. He is likely someone I won't try and read myself and let those with meta on him to do it for me.

[Hayasaka]

I would like to see more opinions in Word's posts before commenting.

Particularly, I find his interpretive reasoning different from the town!Word that I know.

I hope you elaborate on this down the line even if you don't immediately. I am half putting this in my ISO if I ever want to look back at my own thoughts to make sure you follow up on this.

[clidd]

That was a forced comment.

[Hayasaka]

Mine or yours?

[clidd]

It goes into maintenance of appearance what you said, but I believe there must be a context for you to feel the need to express it.

[clidd]

Mine or yours?

Yours, if you don't have a context to said that.

Like

"you need to that because of *insert reason*"

[clidd]

Forget it, I decided to comment on his post now.

[Hayasaka]

I like keeping my thought process open. I tend to read back on my own ISO to help keep my thoughts in line in a game of mafia otherwise I'd just be acting on whatever I remember and the last few pages instead of the thoughts I've developed over the course of the game. No explanation I can give beyond that because it wasn't a post that had much weight behind it.

Other people's meta reads tend to be pretty interesting to me, not because I find those reads hard to fake but they tend to have a pretty decent accuracy to them. Even when scum make them they usually have some element of truth to them since it's hard to lie about something I can check in the late game when I am trying to grind. So when I saw your post I wanted the explanation to see how it could help me.


pedit: umm... I am going to post this but I half think I am still misintepretting your posts??

[clidd]

Ok, thanks.

[clidd]

What are you misrep ?

I'm not a native speaker, so if something sounds confuse, you can ask me.

[Hayasaka]

I had a moment of pause that your dislike towards my post was actually in regards to why you don't like word.
Definitely a me issue not a you issue

[clidd]

No problem.

My idea was to comment only after reading the opinions of others about his posts, because the fact that Word is my friend and I never saw his scumgame could influence my judgment, but in a second thought, I believe that I can police myself in relation to this and be impartial.

[Isis]

Is the difference between the Isis chute and the Cth chute font??
there's nothing more in your posts that i can find
what's the deal
I only figured out the "chutes" the second time
chutes and ladders

No, it's not the font.

I should really play the game though as happy as I am to see Isis order my favorite card and would love to stay off topic.
I think one of Isis or Cthylla is scum here, I think scum have the most incentive to open up the game with this much presence.

Similarly to the way scum tend to open up theme games strongly because they spent time getting hyped up already. I think scum would look and see their win con involves getting sent to heaven and would promptly decide to open up the game like this to try and achieve an early pocket.

The only read I am particularly happy about is my current vote. I think your

<GC note: "your" is "Isis">

energy is headed into way too many OOG posts for me to be able to think you are trying to actually pocket anyone.

Post 58 is a cute theory to pursue early D1. That means either Isis or Cthylla is voteworthy under this theory.

Note I was voting Isis before digesting Post 58, in an initial skim of the 4 or so pages that existed then, because of the font thing to register my annoyance.

Post 82 is Hayasaka explaining why she went the Cthylla-vote route rather than Isis-vote route. Once I figured out what she meant by OOG, I disagreed with that being a basis to discount an Isis vote under her theory, and was comfortable with keeping my vote where it is at this point.

This doesn't make sense
1. You RVS vote me for my font
2. Narset says Cythlla and Isis are scummy, but Isis is scummier because Nihonium has 115 atoms.
3. You have to figure out what Nihonium is and once you've clarified that part is invalid, so Cythlla and Isis remain equally good votes.
4. Later you are "happy with your vote"? Is that verbiage you would usually use to describe a vote you cast between 2 candidates with no way to differentiate them at all?

Correction:

I don't think that you consider that continually speculating *

- This isn't a freudian slip, I'm not native to english.

En la lengua espanol, el negativo doble significa negativo jajaja.

i change playstyle and gimmick across alts
sureness of reads are part of playstyle and i have plenty of town and scum games where i act very sure about reads
and also plenty where i act or am unsure about them

Etto.. actual read confidence is pretty key for trying to read people.
It's just a forum game but if this gets you misread sometimes because you make your read progressions harder to follow I hope you don't get mad about it.

this is a big part of the reason i secret alt btw
not because i have any meta tells - i don't think i do or no one's found one as far as i'm aware
but just because people see someone they've played with before acting differently from the previous game where that person was town, and assume that means they're scum

baddies gonna bad

Nobody is going to give a bad strategy to hurt town--neither town (obviously) or scum are motivated to openly suggest bad strategies.

This is kind of an incomplete view, actually, Bingle was obvscum in Fogport because he usually provides a lot of input on optimal mechanical play but only made token contributions because he was scum needing town to throw. Also I've openly suggested bad strategies when I was confident my work couldn't/wouldn't be checked in the proper way but admittedly that is extremely rare and a bit like stealing second base. Volxen and Elements also did it to win Undertale Semi-open and it was baller

why don't I look like Hectic?

You don't seem to be flowing naturally in your texts (my personal view).

clidd, Cythilla has referenced past games Hectic played with me, so either Cythlla is Hectic or Cythlla is one of very few players that spectates most or all game on the forum.

he can think you're wrong or show frustration as scum as well clidd

Yeah, I kind of feel like clidd is wrong here but I'm reading the way he's going about it as townish?

Hey Miss Hayasaka and Miss Isis, I would like to ask two questions:

1. what do you think about the suspicions on Word ?
2. by extension, what are your opinions on the AI ​​impression I got from G.C ? does it make sense ?

Word is scummier than rand, and as he hasn't followed up his entrance and Walter has been a little townish in his followup, Word is left the most likely scum straggler in this sort of category.
I think GC is scummy although the stuff he says about mechtalk being ok is true, about how as long as you still have other content you'll still be readable is true. But on a different axis, I think it's scummy in the sense that it's what he's excited proportional to other things going on. It suggests maybe he doesn't have any alignment mysteries to solve.
I agree with Cythlla that being emotional about the argument means little.
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Walter and word shading me for posting offtopic, I enjoy doing that as both alignments >_>
I hate it, the more people police that, the more it becomes "the more you play mafia in a way that's less fun for you the more you can win", regardless of my alignment, and it sucks without actually being a good way of reading me.
The only times posting offtopic is remotely scum indicative is when it's used to mask a low amount of content, and paradoxically I am getting scumread by Narset, GC,

and word??

for having too much content!
pls
why

Isis is talkative, Hayasaka talked explicitely being talkative is a mark of scumsiness and shaded Isis by this
If they were scum together, one would expect Hayasaka to comunicate those kind of things on a PT

This doesn't actually make sense because accusing the most active players of being scum because they're active is a hipster take that rarely appears in games, so if Narset said nothing at all it's highly unlikely anyone would have suggested the concept all game. Also frustrating when I'm a top poster in basically all my games grumble but I think it's good faith because I've had scum partners in scum PTs say "what I think about this setup is we need to hit the ground running and get townread in this playerlist/setup". Not to my agreement

[Isis]

VOTE: Green Crayons

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, all my speculation is based on his towngames, so what I said about the Scum!G.C action line is imaginary.

If he has any scumgame in his profile, it's probably from years ago.

Going back to this, Norwegian, do you think what I said above is valid ?

I know that there is a greater margin of error when you don't have a scum game to compare, but I believe that the premise that each player tends to be colder in the scum alignment, by default, even if this difference is small, tends to be true.

The premise of scum being colder tends to be true for me sometimes, and considering GC’s personality he might be that type of person. I need to see more from the slot before i make up my mind on them though. I actually like Isis a bit more right now, i think their level of effort has been townie and unlikely for scum to do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It is true that scum needs to look very town in this setup to endgame, but Isis’s way of going about it seems genuine. They’re free-spirited and talking about other things than the game, showing they don’t just care about being TR. But they’ve also got some decent content.

Clidd/Isis my current TR’s.

[Isis]

Then do you see the numerous opposite interpretations of me as good faith or bad faith?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Word’s push on you might be in bad faith. Pushing "talkativeness" as a scum trait always leaves me a bad taste in the mouth.

Btw, 318 and 319 isn’t likely posts that scum partners would make. Word-Cthulhu team seems less likely based on this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d like GC to explain if they’re still happy about their current vote based on what i’ve said and Isis’s content so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Word321

[Hayasaka]

I hate catching up, I've just been sitting here trying to start and am just not feeling it.

I've been thinking about this game and how bad is it to send town to hell?
I feel like the heaven vote is far more important.