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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:04 pm

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I think sending town to hell is pretty bad.

There's a normal mafia game underneath the purgatory stuff where just killing all the townies loses the game
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:07 pm

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It’s bad mkay, and we don’t do bad things. Because that would be baaaaad. Let’s do our utmost not to do this bad thing.
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:07 pm

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zzz
Nobody said u cant talk a lot Isis, but the thing is where the focus is at
As I said before on cthulu, doing a joke here and there is alright, but it has become increasingly difficult to me to distinguish the play material from the offgame material
Ive had fun with ur posts isis, and Im not saying that u shouldnt have fun with the thread and all that
but it is objectively hard to search for material amidst the sea of posts if that makes any sense

Either way, its not talkativeness itself, as talking for talking wont make a dent on player vision on u, I find that the most particular thing that defined the vote was the wall post
ppl may find that townie, but I found that comparing information avaible vs the effort of building a wall, I dnt see the net gain from town to gain more investigativeness or making instances of pushes as appealing as the gain from town townreading u more due to it as scum
And again, since we r in such an early stage with so few information, I do apologize with town isis if the effort was sincere and im just giving negative feedback to a whaat u percieve as townie behavior
if u do indeed think it can gain wincon as town, go ahead and ignore me or what do I know

Y aunque manejas muy bien el espanol, se dice "la lengua espanola" pero es "el idioma espanol"
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:08 pm

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I think in some cases sending town to hell is Nai; winconditions r entirely based on scum going somewhere, not town
Specially if said town has very few possibilities to going to heaven either way comparatively
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:09 pm

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it is kind of null to the wincon in that sense
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:10 pm

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the only thing that do affects having town in hell is having fewer "good choices" to send to heaven after all, but that is only something worrisome is said options were actually realistically viable in the first place
Thats only my personal opinion, of course
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:12 pm

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In post 2, Morning Tweet wrote:Win Conditions:
- Town wins if the majority of scum (2) are sent to Hell.
- Scum wins if the majority of scum (2) are sent to Heaven --OR-- if a townie is sent to Hell during Judgment Day.
All it would do is bring us a judgment day.
It wouldn't outright make us lose.

Although I guess your right for some reason I forgot we still actually need to lynch scum even if we don't send scum to heaven.
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:13 pm

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In post 347, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I’d like GC to explain if they’re still happy about their current vote based on what i’ve said and Isis’s content so far.
and I dnt think I have enought charisma to do a "push" on anyone on an unfavourable situation
I genuingely read the thread and told things that I saw em
Im bound to be wrong, but those r the petty hypothesis Im working with rn
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:14 pm

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What kind of messed up view is that?
If we get 1 scumflip now it would help immensely.
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:15 pm

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hmmm, I actually forgot aout the judgement day thing
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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:16 pm

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Although in general I think good heaven days should still be a priority? Judgement days only occur when scum control 50% of the votes which means the dead townies have a 50/50 chance to lynch scum in a vacuum, and I'd argue it should be easier then that.

So by having good heaven days and bad hell days we are moving towards an easier game state for us to win in.
But bad heaven days will just result in us losing before we reach that 50/50 world.

I am not arguing we should be killing town but it's more I think we should put a stronger focus on town hunting right now?
My nomination for the first town is Dannflor.
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:17 pm

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In post 358, NorwegianboyEE wrote:What kind of messed up view is that?
If we get 1 scumflip now it would help immensely.
what Im saying is that if we dnt get a scumflip, that wouldnt rly affect the situation
but of course getting a scumflip is always the most benefitial, and of course getting a townflip will always be detrimental to some degree, thats a given
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:18 pm

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In post 360, Hayasaka wrote:My nomination for the first town is Dannflor.
Alright. Tell me more about it.
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:19 pm

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Also a lot of this stems on the fact that I think Green Crayon could be town for me and I see him being pushed so I was trying to decide what to do about that. So these thoughts do have some level of a basis that isn't just insane rambling.

I started to evaluate how bad would killing him actually be since my read on him is more. I wouldn't send him to heaven or hell not a town read to oppose the currently present scum reads.
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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:20 pm

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In post 360, Hayasaka wrote:I am not arguing we should be killing town but it's more I think we should put a stronger focus on town hunting right now?
My nomination for the first town is Dannflor.
hey hey
I townlean Dannflor too and all that
But from the few amount of posts he has given,and considering he is on VLA, we wont rly get that much info there on short notice, and im not confident enought to make the call like ~now~
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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:23 pm

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In post 362, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 360, Hayasaka wrote:My nomination for the first town is Dannflor.
Alright. Tell me more about it.
He doesn't strike me as being agenda driven this game. He is kind of just solving and doing his own thing I guess.

Do you think he is scum or do you just disagree with me having a town read here?
I don't feel that much stronger about anyone else.
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:26 pm

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In post 365, Hayasaka wrote:
In post 362, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 360, Hayasaka wrote:My nomination for the first town is Dannflor.
Alright. Tell me more about it.
He doesn't strike me as being agenda driven this game. He is kind of just solving and doing his own thing I guess.

Do you think he is scum or do you just disagree with me having a town read here?
I don't feel that much stronger about anyone else.
I’m just a bit suspicious if you have an agenda for pushing this right now. But individually i also have a light TR on Dann.
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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:27 pm

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In post 352, word321 wrote:I find that the most particular thing that defined the vote was the wall post
I mean, I had a pocket of time, so I reread the game and commented on things I wanted to comment on the second time around. It ended up decently long so I spoilered it.
Do you think only scum!me would "have a pocket of time, and reread the game and comment things I wanted to comment on the second time around", or that the way I did so has commentary on stuff worth commenting or is scummy in some other way? If it's the first one, well, uh, no, if it's the second one, then you should be more specific and choosing to be vague instead isn't a good look.
It's like, kind of ironically hypocritical for your slot, because I had an opposite problem from you and was bored of Hearthstone having played it too many times yesterday, and so was in a hobby time mood of playing some mafia, and I'm not alive in many games for me so that put a lot of stuff into this one. I don't lie about RL either
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:28 pm

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hypocrisy isn't a scumtell, btw
most people mean it that way but I'm always to the first one to point out that it isn't
the last bit is rather why I want you to reconsider your thinking if you're town
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:29 pm

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In post 366, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I’m just a bit suspicious if you have an agenda for pushing this right now. But individually i also have a light TR on Dann.
Idk, I am confused in terms of getting a good scum read so I am trying to figure out what else I can be doing with my time right now.
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:32 pm

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I kind of explicitely addressed that, didnt I?
Its plausible as town, but there is more potential capital to do as scum in general and particularly on this setup, heceforth since there is more incentive, by statistics alone it can be an indicative.
I dnt know ur slot, heceforth I have no idea what ur usual meta is either, so Ill ask directly: do u think that as scum u would be capable of writing a wall for what it says of ur slot in terms of solving?
At that point either way it kind of looses it Ai potential either way, I guess.
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:33 pm

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In post 368, Isis wrote:
hypocrisy isn't a scumtell, btw
most people mean it that way but I'm always to the first one to point out that it isn't
the last bit is rather why I want you to reconsider your thinking if you're town
I think I got lost here; what do u mean by hypocrisy?
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:34 pm

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hypocrisy is accusing someone of doing something bad and doing it yourself
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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:35 pm

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i do get the meaning of the word; still, thank u for that, cause Im also not a native.
I mean what r u accusing me of, specifically?
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:36 pm

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and henceforth, what should I reconsider, cause otherwise the message is lost
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