Open 792: Masons and Monks GAME OVER

[notscience]

What are you talking about?

[AGar]

Both made by scum faking apathy?

This is the gist of it, yes.

Neither of those are posts completely detached in a "hey I'll get to this soon," manner. Both of them comment on something game related but are a) severely fucking lacking and b) don't actually provide anything besides noise.

[innocentvillager]

i can see those posts coming from town just as easily? don't get why that's a scumtell

[innocentvillager]

nobody can even explain the reason for their vote other than A50's OMGUS so it seems pretty crap to me

yeah tbh i can't LOL

[notscience]

IV what do you think of the constituents of the wagons?

[dramonic]

Both made by scum faking apathy?

This is the gist of it, yes.

Neither of those are posts completely detached in a "hey I'll get to this soon," manner. Both of them comment on something game related but are a) severely fucking lacking and b) don't actually provide anything besides noise.

As opposed to the entire content of this game?
I signed up to play mafia and I'm looking at a memes and fuckery fest, so it's less apathy and more disdain really :3

[innocentvillager]

IV what do you think of the constituents of the wagons?

my readslist hasn't really changed so that's kinda how i feel about them

[dramonic]

Mixed feelings on 58. Seems intended to make progress, but not terribly inspiring.
Very mixed feelings on 60. That's a lot of explanation. Being clear, or appearing to be clear?

Super wishywashy and non-commital

Mixed feelings on 58. Seems intended to make progress, but not terribly inspiring.
Very mixed feelings on 60. That's a lot of explanation. Being clear, or appearing to be clear?

I don't particularly like this post from Davesaz he is hedging a ton in this post.
I think either of these could be described as scum indicative but he is choosing not to for no real reason.

Because you hide behind the anonymity of an alt I don't know if you know me or not.
Accuracy is important in this game. Anyone who has seen me play knows I approach every early game this way.

Notscience can have a short pass on this since it has almost certainly been years since we have played.

Meta bull defense, actions in previous games do not excuse your actions in this one. "Oh I alwasys do this" is not a valid defense to scumplay.

So town hedge but they leave discussion open to say "why do you think that". But the post I quoted basically closes that off. It's just straight hedging to state thoughts without anyone being able to claim you actually have any down the line I guess?

The way I do this is to state what I think, and see what questions or conversation comes from it.

Translation: "I plan to make empty statements and latch onto people actually doing shit!"

2 down 2 to go~

What's this mean?

scum

Uh, it doesn't mean anything unless you say something about who the 2 are. Even that says very little unless you also give some kind of reasoning.

White noise. What's even the point of those statements?

VOTE: dramonic
We've had this conversation before. Talk or get eliminated.

voting for butthurt. Very pro-town!

You didn't commit to any opinions

Why would I want to commit to an opinion that I don't have?
This is how I bring attention to things that I don't have opinions on, for the express purpose of getting an opinion.

I think the way you question it is town motivated, but your approach to what it means is just wrong.

More empty words hoping for something to latch on. Last line is some heavy placating garbo as well.

I mean... Isn't that the exact shit you're accusing dave of? Posting noncommittal shit that can just be handwaved away?

Because my post was intended to be a shit post. Dave's wasn't.

I think that's clearly different?

Actually, that moves you down a bit. Not enough to change the read.
It's explicitly bad for town to shit post, in terms of game solving. Since I don't really participate (much) in the social aspect I take a dim view of posting that isn't meant to be taken at face value.

Non-commital threats are non-commital.

73

The first vote count with the l-2 wagon. Brass has great vote counts that show you the last vote add by a specific player. So you can follow the links to each of the constituents of the hayasaka wagons.

We have-
Meta
Bringing something up and not articulating
Newb scum
Definitely doesn’t like axolotls
“Game is hard”

Which is such a broad rainbow of reasons it doesn’t really seem credible. Hence my confusion.

I agree that looking at this is a good idea.
What's your take on those 5 players?
I'm not keeping track yet, it's too early for that, so I'll have to look. If I don't get hammered by work I'll try to do that today.

More void post asking for other people to do all the work for him. Gosh it's a theme or something

I'd like a little more help in my crusade against people who refuse to talk about anything useful to the game.

Something something someone else do the work for me

I'd like a little more help in my crusade against people who refuse to talk about anything useful to the game.

What IS useful in a game like this? (Serious question)

Wagoning people, and in particular big wagons, to see what happens.

VOTE: Malakittens
Guess I'd better take my own advice, time's ticking.

Yeah no that's just wrong.

Low hanging fruit.
Unfortunately that's the only thing this game has right now.

Cop-out statement is a cop-out

Eh, pushing non-contributors is one of my regular things regardless of gamestate. Right now seeing how people react to the "-2"^* is almost the only thing we have going.
I'm generally against eliminating^* lurkers as lurkers if there is a better choice, but there's nothing wrong with trying to spark someone to action.

^*Hard to remember to scrub posts for terminology.

More meta bull defense, more cop-out preparation

Did you really quote your predecessor THRICE and tried to manufacture a read on them??

Yes I noticed this immediately.

But I didn't comment on it because I might get attention

Just don’t, bad composition, don’t see the reason for her to be a leading wagon

Has she done anything particularly town?

That's not how that works.

Just because people could be LHF doesn't mean they can't get a scum role PM. How are people reading notsci? If this was single ball I'd be TRing them rn

I guess this is two separate thoughts, right?
The reason to avoid LHF is typically because little is learned from it, not because it lacks active scumminess.

I think notsci is town, but agree that MB is a factor so obv scumhunting doesn't automatically mean lock town.
I wouldn't approve of eliminating an obvious scumhunter early game. Someone who is active but not scumhunting is a better choice.

Super non-commital again. "I think they're town but maybe they're not!" is basically just empty words.

@dramonic squeezing your read harder isn't going to make me flip scum.
You could perhaps comment on someone else. If you're town it works a lot better to work with your team.

Deflection

nobody can even explain the reason for their vote other than A50's OMGUS so it seems pretty crap to me

Do you have any reads supported by evidence?

More waiting for others to produce content and lack of his own.



Happy AGar?
Can we stop fucking around and pretending Dave has done something this game besides cheering from the sideline?

[davesaz]

I'm the town leader and you're full of bullshit.

[dramonic]

I'm the town

cheer

leader and you're full of bullshit.

ftfy

[The Bulge]

^ lol but also not sure why any of that makes dave scum

pedit lol@dave

[The Bulge]

nobody can even explain the reason for their vote other than A50's OMGUS so

it seems pretty crap to me

no other posts in your iso indicate this.

ie, what are you going to do about it?

[The Bulge]

Town: IV, Malakittens, notscience
Null: A50, N_M
Scum: Xayah, Dunn, The Bulge, SirCakez, davesaz, Agar, Draomic

For everyone who doesn't bother to read, this list is based solely on weather or not people have claimed to be town.

to what end tho??

[innocentvillager]

Bulge, is NS scum

[The Bulge]

I don't have a strong read on ns yet this game

[The Bulge]

prolly not

[The Bulge]

I bet I can find out if he's scum if I can make him really unsure how I'm reading him tho

[The Bulge]

iv are you leaning tvt for dave/dram or what are your thoughts there

[notscience]

It’s hard to make me really unsure when you said prob not the post before :p

I’m pretty town tho fwiw

[The Bulge]

so you believe me

[The Bulge]

:o

so you believe me

[The Bulge]

yes i really did just

[notscience]

I mean Kinda?

I’m also more worried about mala than you atm and may or may not be partaking in the gamblers fallacy.

While fencesitty I think it’s prob expected because if I could take the authenticity it would be a game in which I actually had to scumhubt

[innocentvillager]

iv are you leaning tvt for dave/dram or what are your thoughts there

i can't really read either of them idk, seem pretty nully

i really don't have any strong reads this game, literally mala is my strongest read and she's a normal townread

[innocentvillager]

multiball is really confusing my reads i think