Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

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Vote Count 1.7

Gamma Emerald

(3): OutWorldER, duppin, Kasumeat

Kasumeat

(2): The Bulge, Blitzo

MURDERCAT

(2): Panzerjager, Noraa

OutWorldER

(1): Not_Mafia

Panzerjager

(1): Gamma Emerald

Blitzo

(1): PookyTheMagicalBear

The Bulge

(1): Thestatusquo

Not voting

(2): MURDERCAT, UneducatedGuesser

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to yeet someone.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-10-12 14:30:00)

[Noraa]

yes pooooooooky? O_o

If you're scum can you tell me who your scum partners are so I can use my Ascetic Peacemaker role to win the game ?

Thanks ^_^

-___________-*

VOTE: Gamma

also I made an analysis after two games with Pooky (dumb yes but w/e) that he tends to be more serious as scum than as town, and he's never attempted to contradict me on that. I will however say maybe I oversimplified it when first forming that impression. He's silly as both alignments, but when he's town it seems like it's downright inscrutable and rather distracting, but as scum he does it in a way that feels less invasive. So if you struggle with reading Pooky, there's a bit of a road map on him.

This post is a lot of words that say absolutely nothing. This doesn't really help solve Pooky at all, nor does he even express an opinion on what this makes Pooky. There has been a passivity to his play this game which is just so totally unlike the last time I played with Gamma where we ended up in a big town v town clownfiesta. And no I'm not just talking about the lack of content (meaning not posting a lot) I was mentioning earlier, but rather there isn't any real digging, it's almost all just distanced observations.

I love how you cherry pick out one singular post from gamma and the reason for an SR is .... unhelpfulness of the post? Yeah that's just stupid. Have you seen basically any of the playerlist actually post something useful? cuz I sure haven't seen much. Gamma was just telling us how to read Pooky who is generally hard to read due to play style. dont attack that. its not a valid argument and there's plenty of other posts to pick on if that's all u got. Kazu if ur town, untunnel asap.

aren't you part of the town?

Hah, can't slip anything past you!

I hate this whole jokey "haha I'm scum" stuff. It's terrible. I despise it. I hate it. nonononononononono >.<

@Pooky This actually does ping me a bit, it was an obvious joke. Unless you saying you wanted to scum hunt with him wasn't actually because of a town read. The first Kasu game I clicked on had kasu self vote in rvs so I don't think that series of posts was that out of the norm

self vote and jokes about being scum aren't the same bud.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

-___________-*

I can't believe noora-scum will not give up her scum-mates so we can all live happily ever after

what has this world come to

[UneducatedGuesser]

VOTE: Gamma

also I made an analysis after two games with Pooky (dumb yes but w/e) that he tends to be more serious as scum than as town, and he's never attempted to contradict me on that. I will however say maybe I oversimplified it when first forming that impression. He's silly as both alignments, but when he's town it seems like it's downright inscrutable and rather distracting, but as scum he does it in a way that feels less invasive. So if you struggle with reading Pooky, there's a bit of a road map on him.

This post is a lot of words that say absolutely nothing. This doesn't really help solve Pooky at all, nor does he even express an opinion on what this makes Pooky. There has been a passivity to his play this game which is just so totally unlike the last time I played with Gamma where we ended up in a big town v town clownfiesta. And no I'm not just talking about the lack of content (meaning not posting a lot) I was mentioning earlier, but rather there isn't any real digging, it's almost all just distanced observations.

There was also a whole lot of general nonsense in the other game that propelled what happened that wasn't on my end, from Tywin not keeping a straight roleclaim to boon being boon. Here nothing has really happened to cause any sort of fiasco that would call me to post like that, and even if something did I'm not the same person I was back then. I'm kinda concerned you think multiple year old meta isn't going to be outdated for someone who's played as much as me. Plus, regarding being passive, I'm not too driven rn when it comes to putting everything I want to say out into the thread, I'm kinda comfortable with just posting a decent amount of stuff and playing around the middle of the pack. So you are correct on paper there but it doesn't make me scum. I will say I have a pretty solid readlist at this point so if anyone wants a better look at what I'm thinking I can post it.

Only tangentially related but I think this brings up part of my earlier mentioned issue with Pooky, this talk of outdated meta made me realize what it was that's bothering me.

This is my second game of mafia on this site since signing up this account, my first games since 2014, but I used to play off-site regularly and I can tell my meta is pretty different now compared to then. A lot of factors are involved in that, but a major one is definitely that I could get hot-headed over things (NAI, it happened no matter what I rolled) and I'm making a distinct effort (not always successfully) to keep my temper in check compared to how I was way back when. If someone who knew where my old games were (I don't even think they exist anymore, pretty sure the site got nuked) and tried to use them to get a read on me it would probably be of minimal use and I'm pretty sure my first instinct would be to question the person doing it as to why they think something that far back has value, irrespective of the read.

Because of that, I just can't quite get my head around the TR of Kasu based on a meta-skim of three year old games, especially when it's coming from someone strong and experienced (Something that's obviously true of Pooky). Whether Kasu's been playing off-site or not isn't known, and even if it was, if the basis of the TR is Kasu's emotional response there's no guarantee it says anything because we don't know the guy or how he emotionally responds now compared to 3 years ago about anything. FWIW I actually am leaning towards believing Kasu is probably more likely to be town than not. What I'm really not sure about is if I trust where that initial read of Pooky's is coming from, and I don't know if it's because my own situation regarding game experience is making me BoP-paranoid about something done in good faith, or if it's because I actually believe Pooky is trying to justify a read to the group that they already privately know is correct because they think there's a later benefit to it.

I don't feel strongly enough about this to vote on, because I'm just not sure enough I'm right about being suspect, but I didn't want to leave a "I don't like Pooky's slot" post floating around unexplained.

[Noraa]

I hate wallssssssssss :<

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I hate wallssssssssss :<

you could respond to the non-wall post then ^^

[Noraa]

-___________-*

I can't believe noora-scum will not give up her scum-mates so we can all live happily ever after

what has this world come to

I want to make a joke and say my scum buddy is u rn. dont tempt me.

[Noraa]

replied as per request by pooky^^

[MURDERCAT]

Noraa how about you attempt to contribute to the game by explaining your scum read on me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Because of that, I just can't quite get my head around the TR of Kasu based on a meta-skim of three year old games

I didn't really look at the date on his games.

I find personalities rarely change and it was the cursing and anger I was looking for while meta-skimming to see if it was the type of emotion he does display.

I would say I think he's matured or toned things down a bit.

I guess my read of him really is based more on the tone of his argument - it's not really the tone of someone who is trying to trick you into thinking something - it's the tone of someone with the unmistakable conviction that what he's saying is

right

and that's not easy to fake as a scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I want to make a joke and say my scum buddy is u rn. dont tempt me.

This would be pretty fun if we were scum together ^^

[MURDERCAT]

I don't buy this at all. I'm not sure if that makes you scum but I can't really imagine how you would genuinely meta someone without both town and scum games.

[Noraa]

Noraa how about you attempt to contribute to the game by explaining your scum read on me?

how about your dropped SR on me and choice to ignore my posts directed at u that were trying to solve? you best reply to everything I asked if u want a reply to this.

[MURDERCAT]

To be honest I got frustrated at you and stopped responding, could you please point me towards anything you'd like to be answered?

[MURDERCAT]

Hello?

[Noraa]

I mean ur SR on me was "annoying" too. Im sorry if u were seriously annoyed but that's not a valid excuse. I might go fetch those quote for u but u get +townpoints if u do it urself. aint that hard. ISO and then ctrl f Murder

[MURDERCAT]

I mean ur SR on me was "annoying" too. Im sorry if u were seriously annoyed but that's not a valid excuse. I might go fetch those quote for u but u get +townpoints if u do it urself. aint that hard. ISO and then ctrl f Murder

No not seriously I just disagree with you. I did look and didn't see anything direct that seemed like you wanted a response from me, more comments on things I had said. The one thing was the "backtrack" comment that I think is explained by the fact that I am still in the process of rereading the game and other people addressed that.

I do remember you complaining that my reads weren't substantive, now that I have given 8/12 reads that I feel are both genuine and decently well explained how do you feel?

[Noraa]

U see I want to just be like ur scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum

but I also have a habit of tunneling vanilla townies as town so I'm a bit worried that ur just a random townie that my scum radar picked up on

[Noraa]

Others have been scummier as of late so for now
UNVOTE: Murder

[MURDERCAT]

To be honest I don't really mind if you SR or tunnel me, I have confidence in my ability to convince everyone I'm town and not get miselimed today.

People will say tunneling is bad, but it isn't bad if you are right. I usually wait to tunnel until I actually have a strong read. If that's the case, so be it we can reevaluate on day 2. If that's not the case though I encourage you to continue to evaluate other possibilities.

pedit: like who?

[Noraa]

Im hating Outworlds play aorn

[MURDERCAT]

Vote there? What about it? Does that opinion affect your opinion of NM?

[Noraa]

No not really. Jester play styles are hard to read. Im still struggling over there

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

NM is not that hard to read actually

you just have to tune into the right frequency

[MURDERCAT]

How do you feel about him then Pooky? I actually agree with you, though I'm not confident in my ability to read him day 1.