Mafia 82: International (Game Over)

[Cass]

@Nhat: I disagree that your 'softclaim' is any kind of tell. I tend to use words like 'we', 'our', etc. a lot. We are after all a group here (with some traitors in our midst, but they're trying to blend in). I consider (soft)claiming 'town', no matter how subtle or unsubtle, a null-tell. Because you see, there is no reason in the world for anyone not to do it. (Btw, I've heard of forums where

everyone

starts the day with 'hi, townie here' or something like that.)

[armlx]

I actually take the opposite stance of nhat. Soft claim is ok. Straight up saying "I am pro-town" without provocation is dumb as EVERYONE would say that.

[MafiaMann]

gneral tip the manner in which you say somthing can help your case if you seem disrespectful of other peoples idea or thoughts poeple arent likely to change their mind.

[armlx]

gneral tip the manner in which you say somthing can help your case if you seem disrespectful of other peoples idea or thoughts poeple arent likely to change their mind.

Do you have any opinions on the situation or just anecdotal comments?

[Cass]

gneral tip the manner in which you say somthing can help your case if you seem disrespectful of other peoples idea or thoughts poeple arent likely to change their mind.

That's rich, coming from you
I'll assume this means you are improving yourself, very good. I admire that

(PS I was referring to another game there... in which MM wasn't exactly the epitome of respect.)

[animorpherv1]

Minor FoS: animorpherv1

because this is not the random voting stage.

I come from a different site. Things are different, practically all of day 1 is random voting.

[StrangerCoug]

I understand now. Where I come from you know the cop and doc in advance, so you can't kill them! xD (They call the doc the bodyguard there, but the role behaves the same way. You also don't vote out in the open where I come from.)

Un-FoS: animorpherv1

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP:

Minor FoS: animorpherv1

because this is not the random voting stage.

How does random voting make him more likely to be scum?

He picked the wrong time to do it, although he didn't realize it and I just forgave him for his mistake.

[maxwellhouse]

okay, so i finally caught up with everything.

i don't like nhat's "tell" at all, like some others have said. you think someone is suspicious because of a "our" or a "we"? there's a difference between someone saying "i think we, as a town, should look at this guy because he is totally against us and we need to win because we are town and we includes me" and "our scumhunting." yeah, i exaggerated my first sentence, but i think you catch my drift. would you rather someone say "the scumhunting" so that they aren't softclaiming a town alignment? that makes little sense. i get what you are saying, but you are being extremely picky and paranoid about such a nulltell.

sorry for an incomplete post, but i don't really have time to analyze everything after reading 13 pages and i have to go.

[skitzer]

Vote Count Three of Day One

(4) Untitled: cerebus3, PeterGriffin, nhat, Cephrir
(2) Netlava: Erratus Apathos, Cyberbob
(2) PeterGriffin: Netlava, animorpherv1
(2) nhat: earthworm, Veronica13
(1) Battle Mage: Untitled
(1) DynamoXI: armlx
(1) wolframnhart: Korts
(1) StrangerCoug: Cass
(1) cerebus3: OpposedForce
(1) Snaps_The_Pirate: StrangerCoug

(10) Not Voting: raider8169, Battle Mage, DynamoXI, cris150, Mr. T, maxwellhouse, Tovarish, MafiaMann, Snaps_The_Pirate, wolframnhart

With 26 alive, it takes 14 votes to lynch!

Last Post Count Three of Day One

Key:
Green - posted in last 24 hours
Yellow - posted in last 48 hours
Orange - Posted in last 72 hours
Red - Posted more than 72 hours ago, prodded
Dark Red - Requiring Replacement
Dark Blue - Vacation/Limited Access

animorpherv1

StrangerCoug

MafiaMann

nhat

Erratus Apathos

armlx

earthworm

Veronica13

Cass

maxwellhouse

Netlava

DynamoXI

PeterGriffin

Snaps_The_Pirate

Untitled

Cyberbob

OpposedForce

Cephrir

cerebus3

raider8169

Battle Mage

cris150

Korts

Mr. T

wolframnhart

Tovarish

Note: I'm usually able to post approximately every 24 hours, so I may just end up putting you down a color even if you havent gotten there yet.

[armlx]

Where I come from you know the cop and doc in advance, so you can't kill them!

I'm so floored by this concept of mafia I'm making a non-content post about it.

[Cyberbob]

Minor FoS: animorpherv1

because this is not the random voting stage.

I come from a different site. Things are different, practically all of day 1 is random voting.

Am I to take it, then, that you plan on holding to this

excuse to be unhelpful

rule now?

[Netlava]

Oh dear, I'm yellow again

Erm, I don't think much of the current nhat, untitled, strangercoug suspicions. Actually, I think untitled has made a pro-town impression. Nhat's reasoning I don't agree with, but I don't think it's indicative of scum. StrangerCoug looks ok, his explanation for not wanting pre-game discussion seems in tune with his overall play style.

Cass's post 325 is a bit scummy

@Nhat: I disagree that your 'softclaim' is any kind of tell. I tend to use words like 'we', 'our', etc. a lot.

We are after all a group here (with some traitors in our midst, but they're trying to blend in).

I consider (soft)claiming 'town', no matter how subtle or unsubtle, a null-tell. Because you see, there is no reason in the world for anyone not to do it. (Btw, I've heard of forums where everyone starts the day with 'hi, townie here' or something like that.)

Don't like the "feel" of the bolded part. I think scum may be more likely to pad their posts with such statements. Whether this is just posting style remains to be seen.

I think Untitled has done a good job defending his actions for the most part. I am more suspicious of Battle Mage and his pact. First off, I want to say the pact is a null tell, but it's more accurate to say it's misleading to vote people based on who is and is not in the pact. The pact simply won't work, as it's too easy to infiltrate.
Also, 73 posts in the pre-game and not a lot of substance to go with it, either. Mafia is largely a game of quality, not quantity.
Vote: Battle Mage

That deserves a

Vote: StrangerCoug

For hypocrisy and badly stretched 'logic'.

I can see the hypocritical part, perhaps, but where's the badly stretched logic?

Also, same question for Cephrir:

Vote: Untitled for craplogic, pretty sure I touched on this in the pregame.

I checked your posts and you didn't.

I'm leaning town on BM, because after any bit of BM questioning, and several people rush to his defense. I'm also leaning town on a couple of other people, but I don't think it's of note at the moment.

Petergriffin and earthworm, I'll probably go back and look into their interactions in-depth some time.

[Cephrir]

StrangerCoug looks ok, his explanation for not wanting pre-game discussion seems in tune with his overall play style.

Huh?

Also, same question for Cephrir:

Vote: Untitled for craplogic, pretty sure I touched on this in the pregame.

I checked your posts and you didn't.

Hum. 'Kay.

exactly, we're still in pre-game and you've already managed to start an argument with several people over something that's pretty much useless for determining alignment.

Not true. Don't think this one needs explaining.

the game had started then my stating an intent to vote you on page 8 might be interpreted as wanting to lynch you.

Votes generally indicate a willingness to lynch someone.

And well... BM said a lot for me. Basically I think his viewpoint during that argument was rather illogical, I don't feel like sifting through the 10 pages of pregame just to QFT BM. Untitled isn't actually as bad as he was in my head though. Man, I do that a lot. So, I'd rather pursue my other suspect-of-sorts.

Unvote, Vote: nhat

[Erratus Apathos]

Minor FoS: animorpherv1

because this is not the random voting stage.

How does random voting make him more likely to be scum?

He picked the wrong time to do it, although he didn't realize it and I just forgave him for his mistake.

I realize he made a mistake. What I'm asking is why did you think that mistake made him more likely to be scum.

Votes generally indicate a willingness to lynch someone.

Unvote, Vote: Cephrir

. You know that statement doesn't apply to the beginning of day 1.

[Untitled]

"I disagree" doesn't equal craplogic.

Votes generally indicate a willingness to lynch someone.

"generally" is a term that allows for exceptions such as this one.

nhat seems to have overplayed his hand a little here.

that yellow font is damn hard to read.

[PeterGriffin]

I smell broken logic.

It is really quite pungent isn't it?

vote: Untitled

Admittedly, I should go back and finish reading the pre-game, but that is where my guts takes me based upon the first 7 or so pages.

You haven't even read a thread entirely yet and you are perfectly willing to vote for someone, after quoting one of their posts? Make a case. Present evidence, definately, but explain why it's scummy. Don't just quote a player, and then feel justified making statements like the above and this comment-

Erm... I got to about post 150 before I was buried under all of the big posts, but from what I have read the award for scummiest pre-game shenanigans goes to.... Untitled!

If you aren't going to support it, it's worthless.

I mean he's soft-claiming town by including himself in the group who scumhunts. He's labeling himself town, but subtly. I can live with an all out townie claim, even a clever or humorous one. But one under the radar like this rubs me the wrong way.

Umm... what? Simply saying that someone is going to interfere with our scumhunting isn't scummy. At all. I mean, there's no reason why someone should have to always seperate themselves from the town, and always refer to it in second person if you are a townie. That's just craplogic. What makes it worse is that you're hopping onto a bandwagon using this logc, which really makes it scummy.

Too Townie is not a scumtell at all either. The person might be scum pretending to be a townie, but more likely they're just a townie acting townie. We're trying to find people that are acting scummy, not acting townie. As you would put it, you've made 256 posts. You should know this.

StrangerCoug looks ok, his explanation for not wanting pre-game discussion seems in tune with his overall play style.

Not liking this. What "play style" are you referring to? Why does this playstyle excuse him for his hypocritical behavior later in the game, and the fact that he did in fact make posts in the pre-game, they were just utterly devoid of content, and then says that "Mafia is about a game of quality, not quantity"? (I suppose that would fall under "Hypocritical behavior"

Not really like SC so far, for the reasons I stated above, and that others have stated. The only thing that seems pro-town so far is his analysis of Snaps, in that he could have a point there.

Liking my case against Untitled much less now considering that I find hs recent posts very reasonable and in his debate against nhat he honestly seems to be trying to scumhunt so for now,

unvote

.

Vote: Nhat

,

FOS: SC, Netlava

IGMEOY: DynamoXII

I'm still finding the reasons I posted earlier scummy about him- his quick jump onto the treaty when it's usefulness had recently become under debate. Since my post his only comment has been an "I'll analyze later" post, which I never like.

[nhat]

PeterGriffin, your vote reeks of OMGUS.

It's one thing to disagree with me, but if you guys equate disagreement with scumtell and want to pile the votes on, then be my guest.

That's all I need to say about it. I'll have another look through and hopefully pick up on something that won't get me gang raped in Switzerland.

[armlx]

PeterGriffin, your vote reeks of OMGUS.

Where did you attack him to prompt the OMGUS?

[nhat]

PeterGriffin, your vote reeks of OMGUS.

Where did you attack him to prompt the OMGUS?

Post 101

[Erratus Apathos]

PeterGriffin, your vote reeks of OMGUS.

Where did you attack him to prompt the OMGUS?

Post 101

"I attacked you during the pregame, so you're not allowed to attack me ever again."

Unvote, Vote: nhat

[armlx]

face + palm......

[nhat]

PeterGriffin, your vote reeks of OMGUS.

Where did you attack him to prompt the OMGUS?

Post 101

"I attacked you during the pregame, so you're not allowed to attack me ever again."

Unvote, Vote: nhat

Did you read PeterGriffin's post, or are you looking for an excuse to bandwagon?

[Erratus Apathos]

PeterGriffin, your vote reeks of OMGUS.

Where did you attack him to prompt the OMGUS?

Post 101

"I attacked you during the pregame, so you're not allowed to attack me ever again."

Unvote, Vote: nhat

Did you read PeterGriffin's post, or are you looking for an excuse to bandwagon?

I'll go with option number one.

[Cass]

I think Untitled has done a good job defending his actions for the most part. I am more suspicious of Battle Mage and his pact. First off, I want to say the pact is a null tell, but it's more accurate to say it's misleading to vote people based on who is and is not in the pact. The pact simply won't work, as it's too easy to infiltrate.
Also, 73 posts in the pre-game and not a lot of substance to go with it, either. Mafia is largely a game of quality, not quantity.
Vote: Battle Mage

That deserves a
Vote: StrangerCoug
For hypocrisy and badly stretched 'logic'.

I can see the hypocritical part, perhaps, but where's the badly stretched logic?

This is SC's case:
- The pact's a null tell
- The pact will vote people based on whether or not they are in it (this is not true)
- The pact will not work, because of infiltration (BM explained why this isn't a valid point)
- BM posts a lot but with not enough substance

I do not see

anything

in that list that would make BM scum, do you? I don't see how the case justifies the vote, so I call craplogic (with several others).