Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

[Kasumeat]

UG's re-entrance is excellent, I agree with nearly everything.

Guesser having too many SRs might actually be scum indicative hmmm

I can't speak for everyone but I tend to SR half the game for the first couple of Game Days. Having lots of SRs in a vacuum isn't AA as long as the reasoning is sound. This has been a pretty active game and I think that nearly everyone would agree that there are few-if-any nearly-universally townread players.

I've been TRing Noraa and attributing her, ahem, questionable assertions as naivety/inexperience. But she's piling poop on top of poop on top of poop and it's really starting to stink. I'm worried I've been giving her too much credit for what I thought was a very townie post and not looking at her critically. Need to give her a re-read, as painful as that will be.

Pooky's re-entrance is obviously not good either, but apparently he's delivering the goods tonight so we'll see.

[Noraa]

I agree they've been good but they dont feel like guesser's town game.

Why? How are they good but not townie for him?

I played one game with guesser as town and town!guesser didnt sus everyone or have walls as long as the ones here. Guesser was also more present and the tone was less .... idk passive?

[Noraa]

UG's re-entrance is excellent, I agree with nearly everything.

Guesser having too many SRs might actually be scum indicative hmmm

I can't speak for everyone but I tend to SR half the game for the first couple of Game Days. Having lots of SRs in a vacuum isn't AA as long as the reasoning is sound. This has been a pretty active game and I think that nearly everyone would agree that there are few-if-any nearly-universally townread players.

I've been TRing Noraa and attributing her, ahem, questionable assertions as naivety/inexperience. But she's piling poop on top of poop on top of poop and it's really starting to stink. I'm worried I've been giving her too much credit for what I thought was a very townie post and not looking at her critically. Need to give her a re-read, as painful as that will be.

Pooky's re-entrance is obviously not good either, but apparently he's delivering the goods tonight so we'll see.

don't call my play shit that's rude af.

[Noraa]

my play is shit sometimes but only I can say it without being offensive and rude.

[The Bulge]

I agree they've been good but they dont feel like guesser's town game.

Why? How are they good but not townie for him?

I played one game with guesser as town and town!guesser didnt sus everyone or have walls as long as the ones here. Guesser was also more present and the tone was less .... idk passive?

There are so so so many differences between two games, and so many both in-game and off-site reasons for a player's posting to be different besides just "they're alignment must be different". if I tweet something today and then tweet something else in a month that doesn't match that precise tone, is there something wrong with me? have I been bodysnatched? this is not a good meta read and certainly shouldn't be a reason to disregard that entire post.

[Noraa]

perhaps but I'm not feeling a lot of town!guesser vibes...
then again in the last game I was in with guesser, I jailed guesser cuz I thought they were scum but they were actually vt :/

[Noraa]

But also Bulge, the majority of Guesser's SRs on me are meta related and just saying I'm not seeming as town as I did in the last game. Isn't that the same?

[The Bulge]

Not only is that an extremely poor take on UG's reasons for scumreading you, but he also indicated that he read more of your games than just the one you played together.

[Noraa]

No the first few of his major reads had me as scum bc of meta reasons and guesser has done a total of like 4 of those so I think its absolutely fair to say that.

[Noraa]

Btw I asked you to explain ur free town pass that u gave me a while ago and you never responded. I'm still curious.

[The Bulge]

That's no what I'm talking about. What about his posts strikes you as scummy besides your perception of tone?

I don't remember ever doing that?

[UneducatedGuesser]

I mean, yeah, but I had the benefit of being able to read multiple completed games of you as scum as well as one where you were town. I had a bigger sample size to work with.

Plus...

I played one game with guesser as town and town!guesser didnt sus everyone or have walls as long as the ones here.

Different setup, different player list, different activity levels across the board, different ability for me to keep up with the thread at various times. My reads on you are not dependent on those things, they were dependent on your established reactions to being put under pressure across multiple games. Not all meta is created equal. Anyway, now I'm SRing you because I'm pretty sure that you never survive D1 from Shea's push on you without getting yeeted if scum didn't want you to survive, so that has nothing to do with anything other than the here and now.

Also the walls part is junk and you know it is, given that you complained about me writing walls on multiple occasions in the other game, most of which were of equal size to the first large post I made today and longer than the second. BTW just lol if you're trying to imply that writing walls is AI I'm not even going to waste my time on that further.

Guesser was also more present and the tone was less .... idk passive?

I was slightly more present. I was significantly more visible because I was willing to fluff-banter with you and I don't have time for that this game.

I also just laid out a case on someone with significant reasoning. If you'd accused me of passivity in D1 you might have had a shot, but I've been more aggressive in five posts of this dayphase than you've been in this entire game. You don't vote (and get snippy when called out about it), you don't solve (and whine about your reads sucking on D1 so you didn't want to say them, but now it's D2 so enough of that), you give one liners when pressed on reads and avoid reasoning even when pressed. You have been, based on your overall non-defensive content in this game, one of the most active active-lurkers I've ever seen play a mafia game so far in this thread.

[Thestatusquo]

you don't solve (and whine about your reads sucking on D1 so you didn't want to say them, but now it's D2 so enough of that)

I will say I've noticed a pretty drastic shift in noraas posting d2 this game as opposed to d1 wrt this point.

[Thestatusquo]

I still think most of the things she's saying is wrong but I think that even a surface level reading would notice a significant shift in terms of saying people are scummy and pressing on things.

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 2.1

Panzerjager

(2): Gamma Emerald, Blitzo

OutWorldER

(2): Thestatusquo, The Bulge

Gamma Emerald

(2): Kasumeat, UneducatedGuesser

Noraa

(1): OutWorldER

Not voting

(4): Panzerjager, Not_Mafia, PookyTheMagicalBear, Noraa

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to yeet someone.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-10-23 22:50:00)

Notes:

• The votes in 1722 and 1723 were not counted as it is unclear whom they are for.

[Thestatusquo]

At what point do we decide what N_M is doing in this game is outside the bounds of the rules of mafia?

Like real talk.

[Noraa]

That's no what I'm talking about. What about his posts strikes you as scummy besides your perception of tone?

I don't remember ever doing that?

you kept saying I was town but never specified why.

I still think most of the things she's saying is wrong but I think that even a surface level reading would notice a significant shift in terms of saying people are scummy and pressing on things.

I don't see a difference between day 1 and day 2 in this game. only thing I can think of is that day 1 even when I was annoyed, I would still post. Now, I just don't post when I'm annoyed and come back later.

[Thestatusquo]

Ok but you're wrong. There is a significant difference between how you are approaching the game now and then.

[Noraa]

Ok but you're wrong. There is a significant difference between how you are approaching the game now and then.

I don't judge myself fairly. Do tell me what's different?

[Thestatusquo]

I already did.

You seem significantly more interested in pointing out things you see as scummy and following up on pressing people on their reads in conversations that don't necessarily involve you.

I don't know what to make of it yet, but its interesting to hear you say you don't think you're doing that. As far you are concerned you feel like you are exactly the same day 1 and 2 with how you're interacting with the other players?

[Noraa]

I already did.

You seem significantly more interested in pointing out things you see as scummy and following up on pressing people on their reads in conversations that don't necessarily involve you.

I don't know what to make of it yet, but its interesting to hear you say you don't think you're doing that. As far you are concerned you feel like you are exactly the same day 1 and 2 with how you're interacting with the other players?

well, day 1 I was annoyed with all the SRs so that was basically the only thing I focused at all on.
Today, I just ignored all the SRs for the most part and focused more on looking at people's tone and finding scum.

[Noraa]

Im an OMGUSy asshole and that doesn't disappear unless I decide to just ignore them for a bit.

[Noraa]

ignoring is good. gives me a clearer picture on everything and reads that will develop faster as well.

[Thestatusquo]

So when you said earlier that you didn't see a difference was that a lie or...? Because that sounds like a conscious choice to me.

[Noraa]

No it was not a lie. Day 1, I replied to everything. Day 2, I stop posting when I'm annoyed.
same thing.