Mini Normal 2168 | So Many Bats! | Game Over!

[Hectic]

I'm fine with Redados's answer regarding why he's less emotive this game btw. It's what I figured and at times I get this "this is really irritating but I'm going to stay cool" vibe from him when replying to scumreads line Noraa's and I find that kind of tone really town-indicative.

Still need to catchup on page 49 to 54(?). I'll probably skim some stuff but

will still be on the lookout

for anything particularly towny or scummy.

[Hectic]

Think that's all of them.

And before you come in and say I'm scum who was planning to fakeclaim tracker, shelly, I would've just CCed you tracker claim in that case with one of my own. Pretty sure my tracker crumbs would've won out over your lack of any crumbs.

[UNOwen]

I am satisfied.

[UNOwen]

Looking at it from the true claim point of view... Prompting your track target to at least crumb/soft if a PR is a +town move when there hasn't been a massclaim. Tracker is a really tricky role to play, especially as 1-shot and even more so as night-specific. I think the targeting on a weak TR is a little weird, unless the TR was semi-fake to instill a false sense of security in the target's ability to get away with making the kill.

With 2 scum left and a night-specific shot, she'd be in a use it or lose it position, and tracking a largely scumread target would risk coming up blank because scumread!scum shouldn't make kills.

I feel tracker is one of the weakest investigatives. I got really annoyed in the Gay Mafia team game when I saved my tracker shot for later and tracked my target to a kill, but almost got ignored because a couple people kept trying to elim me. I chose a previous TR to track in that game because Occam said the only solve was that one of my TRs had to be scum. Bottom line it's quite possible as a true claim from the mechanics and targeting point of view. There is more to say about Shelly, and balance. I'll make those points later.

This is an interesting argument by dave, because he is proposing why shelly might have targeted duppin while ignoring all the actual reasons shelly gave for tracking duppin.

[UNOwen]

ehhhh im fine with no elim if we just get duppin tmr then hectic and finish the job off

seriously. another thing is that dave is a mechanically-oriented player, and im a newb at heart, so why wouldn't me and dave talk about the best claim to make? dave/me makes no sense at all, uno/me doesn't make sense because UNO can just push through and dave/uno/shelly/plus all vote duppin and finish the job.

me/hectic and me/duppin are impossible. I am not paired with anyone here.

even though you can say me/dave/plus have been more individually scummy, scum is a TEAM and simply the only way to explain this mylo is that hectic/duppin are scum

Not much of a fan of this post, because it appears to be trying to convince me of my own argument by just stating it with more certainty.

[Hectic]

YES ONOWEN

you have no idea how happy I am to see you finally seeing the light. now we just need to get that + guy out of the darkness

[Hectic]

Morning in shambles. She roots for scum in her games I'm pretty sure

[Hectic]

Hello, friends and foes of the "Mini Normal 2168 | So Many Bats! | Day 4" thread. This is a case outlining why shelly is scum. I hope this helps, and I ask that you read this in its entirety.

Let's set the scene: It's early in day 1. Odd Day Jester is being a buffoon acting like a jester (what an idiot), people are enjoying their lives and bats hang merrily from their perches.

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ARTIFACT 1:

shelly enters the scene.

Im a bit shocked how you just ignore the reasonings to "townpass" duppin and majority TR on noraa I wonder if this is alignment indicative

this is a scumslip

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Jacko points out some weird things about shelly, one of them being shelly is ignoring the majority TR on Noraa and was still pushing her (this is a great point in hindsight, Jacko!). shelly claims this is a scumslip and proceeds to vote Jacko.

Im a bit shocked how you just ignore the reasonings to "townpass" duppin and majority TR on noraa I wonder if this is alignment indicative

this is a scumslip

Lmfao

the "lol' defense, how scum indicative.

I'm not entirely sure if shelly's cockiness and/or retaliatory attitude this game is AI. I only have known their scum games.

Jacko is amused. shelly is being shelly. It's very strange, but this isn't hugely scummy for shelly.

I WAS BAITING.

not directly attacking me for bullshitting. TMI

shelly then reveals she was "baiting". This post is 1 minute and 39 seconds after her initial vote.

I was planning to test the wagon speed on jv, but turns out everyone dipped

The vote was apparently all a plan to test Jacko's "wagon speed". However, shelly waited for just

99 seconds

before she decided "everyone dipped". She clearly had no intent to test the wagon speed on Jacko in the first place, or she would've waited longer than

99 seconds.

Uhhh, what

I was trying to see if anyone would jump on.

it's indicative of scum!jv tbh

She then says that the fact no one jumped on is actually "indicative of scum!jv", despite just saying she pulled out of the test because everyone had supposedly dipped. And still, no one voting for Jacko for the

99 seconds

after she voted is indicative of

absolutely nothing

in a forum setting. shelly does not really believe what she's saying here, she is not stupid.

DO NOT townread this for being "random" or "too scummy to be scum", scum!shelly's plan this entire game is to do random things, fake random reads, and post without thinking. If you look back at any of her scumgames, it's how she always plays as scum.

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INTERMISSION

Okay, so the bats on So Many Bats Avenue have clearly been a little spooked by these developments. A few can even be seen flying up to the blood moon, led by Morning Tweet. The little rascals, I'm sure they don't have any ulterior motives.

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ARTIFACT 2:

VOTE: shellyc

I have no idea how you manage to roll scum so much.

I am shocked by what shelly is pulling. I immediately vote her, thinking there is no way this can't be scum.

the way you flip on me concerns me a tiny bit

She informs me that she's concerned by how I flipped on her. Prior to this point, shelly has been townreading me, and I have been townleaning her. The "concern" in this post is clearly meant to convey suspicion on my 180 on her.

the way you flip on me concerns me a tiny bit

Something something OMGUS for the 3rd time this game

Jacko points out that she's OMGUSing again.

concern != omgus

like, im concerned by how scum might manipulate Mr. Jester to vote wrong lategame.

shelly FLAILS (using this word for you, shelly), not wanting to be seen as OMGUSing yet again, and states that she actually meant a far more convoluted definition when she said "concerned". This is

clearly

a lie.

Yeah fuck off you meant that. Lmfao
VOTE: shellyc

Jacko rightly calls shelly out and votes her. I miss you, Jacko! You were compromised and repped out with Mini because you found she was scum, didn't you?

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In both of these cases, shelly is very obvious

lying

. If you believe she is town, you have to believe she's lying in good faith, and not just scum that's lying in bad faith to protect or attempt to improve her image - this is the far far more likely scenario.

I was planning on doing some more but I'm tired, so this'll do for now. I'll case her later stuff later, if Plus still isn't on board.

[duppin]

where even is plus? he voted and then disappeared

[UNOwen]

YES ONOWEN

you have no idea how happy I am to see you finally seeing the light. now we just need to get that + guy out of the darkness

See now I fear I am being manipulated again.

So this is where I am unless I survive to day 5 and go back to doubt and indecision:

It remains possible that I have been completely fooled by the entire scum team deciding to townread me, in particular duppin's reasons for trusting me reminded me of Noraa and I really don't think my day 1 ISO was all that great considering most of it was spent tunnelling town. I don't understand why he wavered on his Hectic read but not on me when from his point of view Hectic has been backing him up all along and I have been the one to avoid committing, so if anything I should look like the opportunistic scum waiting to see which way the wind blows. It kind of looked like it was a reaction to Plus mentioning the duppin/Hectic team possibility. He certainly has had a suspiciously explain-y tone at times which I have put down to personality. Finally, the independent raising of the replace out theory by Hectic and duppin sticks in my mind, it could suggest that this was something scum talked about in pt.

But overall I end up thinking that this is just paranoia and that the scum team is simply shelly/dave. Hectic seemed genuine about thinking there was going to be an execution today, so the motive for the commuter claim as scum is weakened (he does not need to explain his survival to day 5 if the scumpartner he's defending is about to get executed). bugspray stuff is still a problem, but my instinct would probably have been to point it out without thinking too. And does duppin scum call attention to this if that was his partners play?

shelly's claim requires believing that despite being super confident this entire game, she got worried when she had a guilty result on her track. It also requires believing that she chose not to track the players she was suspicious of. Stitching up duppin instead of Plus is strange, but maybe the idea was that Plus would be too obvious. Perhaps she was worried she would not win in final three, perhaps she was just impatient and wanted to make a bold play, perhaps she intended to claim it was a reaction test but decided to press ahead when it looked like it might fly. It's a big risk, but I can see her going for it.

I think Hectic has a good argument that a lot of what she says sounds fake and it's difficult to imagine her believing in it, going all the way back to the Jackson push from day 1. It's probably worth comparing this with some of her town games to see if this is AI or if it's just how she plays but in isolation it looks clearly scummy.

With dave idk, it might just be because I haven't seen a lot. This day has gone all the way to deadline to allow time for him to do his hard reset and all he has offered is a mechanical defence that soft supports shelly but does not account for Hectic's claim or what she has actually said. It's a shame if he is town and this is all he has time for, but I would have expected town in this situation to have a bit more urgency in providing relevant content. He had no problem offering weak reads when he entered (2005) so I don't trust this "I have bad reads" explanation. Going back, he was prepared to hammer the Redados wagon because he agreed with it despite not once suggesting so during day 1, and he wordlessly echoed the Noraa/Mundivore/UNO solve despite claiming he had his own reasons which he never had the chance to expand on. It's not much and they feel like lazy reasons to say he is scum, but the simplest explanation is that he is and is just attempting to coast it out.

[UNOwen]

VOTE: No Execution

[Morning Tweet]

Prodding PlusJOYED.

[Morning Tweet]

PlusJOYED is V/LA until 10/19.

[shellyc]

phoneposting atm so apparently case on me is for having weird beliefs, but i do believe in them. I consider my towngame weakness to be obvtowning, and sometimes I do lie in my towngame (AND you know it hectic. you do. read that marathon game.)

[shellyc]

ok back to normal access

Ladies and gentlemen, this is why hectic is scum.

1. hectic has pushed for an elim in {me, duppin} today but is currently voting no elim. this is a case of words not matching up with actions.
2. commuter = tries to eat the nightkill, it is of course counter-intinutive to point out conftown, I don't get how it is "instinctive" at all
3. hectic tries to solve duppin and has doubts about duppin when their claim disproves my claim, which is a perspective slip.
4. hectic does not counterclaim me because if the "frame shelly as scum" plan fails, the backup is bussing duppin and taking it to f3, and they have a reasonable explanation for being UTR and living till then
5. hectics case on me is I don't believe in what I say which is ???????? when I do because its pretty clear that I've been talking in a confident tone. hectic also points out that its possible for town!me to be like that which is another perspective slip.
- what i did in a marathon game is when hectic called me out for a post glitch that changes the order of posts, I lie about that despite being town, because my intristic fear as town is being scumread, because I do have generally good reads

@uno: there are 2 scum and 4 town, a high ratio, and you have to realise that you were brought to lylo FOR THIS MOMENT. when you change your mind and vote me.
the simplest solve is wrong in lylo simply because scum are pulling the strings. it's right that there arent much reasons. its not paranoia on hectic and duppin. it's the truth.

more holistic case when I get coffee

[Morning Tweet]

VC 4.FINAL

EXILE STATUS

[2] duppin:

shellyc, PlusJOYED

[2] No Elimination:

Hectic, UNOwen

[1] shellyc:

duppin

[1] Not Voting:

davesaz

With 6 still flying around the place, it took 4 votes to ground someone.

The Day 4 deadline is in:

(expired on 2020-10-19 00:35:00)

Mod Notes:

(/ω＼)[/area]

[/mech]

[Morning Tweet]

No one has been grounded.

Night 4 begins! Everyone has until (expired on 2020-10-21 01:15:00) from now to send in any night actions to me.

[Morning Tweet]

Night 4 has concluded! But how is everyone doing?

UNOwen has been shot down!

He falls down into the dirt below.

Spoiler: He was a...

VANILLA TOWNIE

Welcome, UNOwen! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Aside from your voice and your vote, you possess no special abilities of your own.

You are aligned with the

Town

. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

The game thread is located here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.[/area][/spoiler]

[Morning Tweet]

VC 5.0

Bat Fact #26:

As flying, nocturnal creatures, bats tend to avoid most predators. This gives them very long lifespans! On average, bats live to 10-20 years old.

EXILE STATUS

[5] Not Voting:

PlusJOYED, duppin, davesaz, Hectic, shellyc

With 5 still flying around the place, it takes 3 votes to ground someone.

The Day 5 deadline is in:

(expired on 2020-10-28 01:15:00)

Mod Notes:

(*ﾉωﾉ)

[/mech]

[PlusJOYED]

im still likely to go duppin today
to sleep i go

[shellyc]

VOTE: duppin

I need say no more.

[Hectic]

UNOwen, the man who was leaning towards it being shelly/dave, and was working me was killed. What a shock.

Plus, you're the person who matters the most in the game right now. What are your thoughts, and why do you believe shelly is town, and duppin is scum?

[shellyc]

@dave and plus if there's any doubt I can do a detailed casing later when i've got time

@duppin and hectic DIE MAFIA SCUM!

[Hectic]

<3

[shellyc]

UNOwen, the man who was leaning towards it being shelly/dave, and was working me was killed. What a shock.

you killed them because you feared uno's paranoia and my charisma

this was a wifom kill