Death Curse

[MURDERCAT]

VC on this page.

Once a player is cursed, they will have 2 days to pick a player they'd like to pass the scroll to, using a vote.

My mistake, I was thinking of the dayvig rule

[Fidget]

@Noraa

, if you vengekill LLD, I'm treating you as flipped scum. If you need me to convince you she's town any more than the thread probably should've, let me know.

254 this feels like it was premeditated
i mean seriously it feels like this exchange between noraa and adorable was planned out ahead of time
why is a self-proclaimed newbie attacking adorable and effectively daring them to vote themselves
and not attacking hopkirk who had placed a blank vote
or unowen who had an rvs vote

Yes exactly. Noraa is not a fool, if she fears that she has been caught and is 100% going down then I believe her instinct would be to perform some sort of distancing with one of her partners. The highlighting of the Adorable post was pretty strong considering the context of Noraa getting swarmed that was going on. "Theres so many questions that I get when I see this post that I am definitely SRing you for it. I think I'd actually like to place my vote here bc I want to put some pressure on you." sounds like a very calculated statement, not naturally worded at all. Noraa later follows up with declaring she would give the scroll to Adorable too. However at no point does Noraa reach out to other players to support the Adorable vote, which I think she would if town and convinced she had identified a clearly scummy player hopping on the wagon. That she has this reaction to Adorable but is apparently not alarmed about the way I have lazily sat on her wagon (unlike both shelly and taylor) has further suggested to me that something is up.

On Adorable, she is busy and it is not clear that she has completely caught up so perhaps there will be better information later. But the vote was awkward as anything, independent of Noraa's alignment. Noraa is right that the whole "I don't understand why Noraa is defensive?" was a scummy question to ask. The implication is clear but instead of just stating a suspicion and acting on it there is a smoke screen of questioning to build up to the vote. Then immediately in 277 the facade drops, Adorable thinks Noraa is sus and declares she would give the scroll to Noraa. This looks like scum attempting to find their way onto a wagon.

I think there's a lot of merit to this. I wonder how Noraa will try to explain why she's passing the scroll to LLD over Adorable.

Pedit: Oh. That's right. That's why I'm chilling on voting.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im 95% confident in saying that pooky is scum and isis is town here.

I'm ready for Taylor Swift - > Pooky - > Noraa for D1 pass.

I think it's win - win - win.

TS and I scum-read each other and Noraa is Noraa.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I want middle position because I don't trust TS to pass it to Noraa - I'm ok with TS being first position because she's made it clear she's 95% on me being scum so she will definitely pass it to me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

[Theta Alpine]

noraa has stated that she thinks lambdadelta is town

noraa has also stated that she would kill lambdadelta for acting in a way noraa thinks is anti-town

[Toogeloo]

I'll see you all tomorrow.

[Fidget]

im 95% confident in saying that pooky is scum and isis is town here.

I'm ready for Taylor Swift - > Pooky - > Noraa for D1 pass.

I think it's win - win - win.

TS and I scum-read each other and Noraa is Noraa.

Tayl0r just seems pissed off to me. Her scum meta is to tryhard, is it not? I'll read through more of course, but from what I recall, you were just kind of messing with her while she was upset with LLD.

Side note: It seems to me you are quite the self-sacrificial player, Pooky, across a lot of your games. I may have made the mistake of finding it AI in the past, but now it just seems like something you generally do.

What people assume scum would do really isn't close to what scum do in practice. Think about this, if everyone knew scum always do it then scum would stop doing it. Most of what I used to find scummy was just new townies I tunneled on. Personally I find scumslips to be more of a towntell than a scumtell tbh.

IMO this is the correct way to go about 99% of "scumslips"

[MURDERCAT]

I want middle position because I don't trust TS to pass it to Noraa - I'm ok with TS being first position because she's made it clear she's 95% on me being scum so she will definitely pass it to me.

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

I don't hate this, these are probably the top three people I don't want to have to try to read

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so vote TSwift

[Theta Alpine]

the alleged scum slip is the reaction noraa had to the possibility of being the third person with a scroll
which as has been stated before would deny scum the ability to choose someone to kill if scum is in that slot

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Tayl0r just seems pissed off to me. Her scum meta is to tryhard, is it not? I'll read through more of course, but from what I recall, you were just kind of messing with her while she was upset with LLD.

Side note: It seems to me you are quite the self-sacrificial player, Pooky, across a lot of your games. I may have made the mistake of finding it AI in the past, but now it just seems like something you generally do.

pretty sure I don't self-sacrifice as scum but ok.

[Fidget]

If we're going for the "slap Noraa with third scroll" strategy, then I'm okay enough with it. I don't have much hope for TS or Pooky being scum though. I'd actually rather see Adorable get the first hit just by virtue of that awkward Noraa interaction.

the alleged scum slip is the reaction noraa had to the possibility of being the third person with a scroll
which as has been stated before would deny scum the ability to choose someone to kill if scum is in that slot

Oh yeah, I should probably actually check what the "scumslip" was.

[Hectic]

As a favour to Penguin Power, I would like to inform all players in this game who are eligible to be newbies that the newbie queue exists.

[Hectic]

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Votecount 1.8

[7] Noraa:

UNOwen, Hopkirk, Adorable, Toogeloo, MURDERCAT, Lapsa, Titus

[3] Adorable:

Noraa, Theta Alpine, Vaxkiller

[1] Hopkirk:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1] shellyc:

Bell

[1] Bell:

shellyc

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Tayl0r Swift

PookyTheMagicalBear

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary, MUSHSHAGANA, Fidget, Zdenek, Flea The Magician

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

Joint moderator ISO.

[Flea The Magician]

While Nora is doomed, I still feel its good to form an opinion. It helps others read you and your future reads. One of your reads was based on flip, which I assume now is a solid read too.

What is your read on Noraa atm?

Scum, as previously stated. There's too much to not be.

[Fidget]

I don't agree that I was throwing shade at him. I was genuinely curious. I know that hopkirk generally knows what towncred is and how to get it and his switch in posting style is designed to get it.

....@Pooky confession: I don't think I can read taylor. But she seems to be try harding which is new and exciting to me.

tryhard taylor = scum-taylor

town taylor is a lurker who posts shitty dog pictures

Oh! So you do know. I take it she started tryharding. That's interesting. She doesn't always low-effort as town though, I believe it's just dependent.

Mush looks like town, I think fidget looks like town, hot take is that taylor seems like town

Sweeet.

I'm feeling like Pooky and Tayl0r are town that are both sure of each other being scum. Pooky especially I think is town now. I see why he thinks tayl0r is scum and I believe he really thinks that's a slam dunk kill.

[Fidget]

VOTE: Adorable

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you guys notice how t-swift shut her mouth about Pooky being scum the second I offered her the 1 for 1 trade?

where did all that 95% confidence go?

i'll tell, you she's full of it and just made that up. If T-Swift town actually had 95% conviction that Pooky = scum then she would take this 1:1 in a heartbeat.

[Lapsa]

who else do you think is scum

No ideas why you explained the joke. Rest may follow.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i cannot wait for T-Swizzle to send me a death scroll let's do this guys

[Titus]

do you guys notice how t-swift shut her mouth about Pooky being scum the second I offered her the 1 for 1 trade?

where did all that 95% confidence go?

i'll tell, you she's full of it and just made that up. If T-Swift town actually had 95% conviction that Pooky = scum then she would take this 1:1 in a heartbeat.

Why would TSwift have to endanger herself to have a confident scumread?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz if she was actually confident she'd be willing to 1:1 me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This is Taylor being 95% Confident I'm Scum:

Spoiler:

but you'd still rather hit LLD with the scroll instead of Pooky-Scum? yea ok taylor good story

i want to hit both of you. but i only get one shot, and lld is a disaster for town, while you just arent a member of town.

people who are scum:
pookyx10000

im 95% confident in saying that pooky is scum and isis is town here.

ooky is a strange one to read. i think the best, perhaps the only way to read pooky is by ignoring most of the words pooky says, and instead look at what pooky is trying to say, and gaze into pooky's soul. in this case my read isnt so much based on specific posts pooky made, but the way pooky has oriented himself in the thread.

1. pooky is canadian. canadians are scum
2. pooky is being more aggressive than town!pooky ever is
3. there are some interactions i would expect from town!pooky that im not seeing
4. pooky is not scumhunting, but is being manipulative, and has attached himself to the hip of the self proclaimed town leader (and fellow canadian, see point 1 above).

After I offer her 1:1 in this post:

im actually thinking

Taylor - > Pooky -> Noraa would be a pretty damn good scroll pass

it's radio silence from Taylor. She knows T - > P -> N is a disaster for her scum team and she just disengages and starts poking at someone else.

if she was actually town and 95% confident she'd be all aboard

[Titus]

cuz if she was actually confident she'd be willing to 1:1 me

I don't see confidence as requiring suicidal stupidity. Why not just get you passed a scroll?