Mini 611 - Troy, Meet Helen (Game Over)

[Lord Gurgi]

Then how can we trust them? Hyperbole is the greatest enemy of truth.

[charter]

Trust who? Tinsley and camn?

[Lord Gurgi]

Your suspicions.

[charter]

No one else trust's them. I don't see why you're so worried about my suspicions since I convinced no one about you (or really anyone else) yesterday.

[Lord Gurgi]

It is not helpful, in regards to the success of the town, even if it damage the individual's standing for anyone to be indifferent towards suspicion.

[charter]

What?

[Lord Gurgi]

It hurts the town more than it could ever possibly hurt me to ignore what you say, as you ignore what I do.

[CF Riot]

I think before everyone gets too sucked in by the whole Charter/LG fight, wouldn't it be a good idea to find out who Thesp investigated?

[Lord Gurgi]

I think before everyone gets too sucked in by the whole Charter/LG fight, wouldn't it be a good idea to find out who Thesp investigated?

Well sure, but I'm winning.

[CF Riot]

Damn you guys post fast. I'm post 7 on this page and this page didn't even exist when I clicked reply. *-*;

[charter]

LG, I've scrutinized your actions quite closely. It's the manner in which you were part of the Netlava wagon that initially made me suspicious of you. When Netlava turned town, it all made sense, ONLY IF you were scum. This goes back to assuming you're scum and proceeding from there. I think it's evidenced with my "wishy washy" stance I took on Walnut midday yesterday that I do in fact, keep an open mind about everyone. I was absolutely sure he was scum at the beginning of the day, but by the end of it I had changed my mind. Look at how walnut reacted to my accusations of him, and how you are now. You're reacting much differently.

[charter]

While Thesp's result (if he has one...) might return a guilty on someone, I'd still rather lynch LG.

[Lord Gurgi]

This goes back to assuming you're scum and proceeding from there.

I would hope that every person who would call himself living would see the inherent flaw with your reasoning. Surely every situation can be twisted to support a guilty verdict, when that verdict has already been assumed. This is the reason why free nations work under the doctrine of innocent until proven guilty, while not wholly applicable to our situation it is required of us to realize that under an assumption of guilt, only guilt can be borne as the conclusion.

[Lord Gurgi]

Damn you guys post fast. I'm post 7 on this page and this page didn't even exist when I clicked reply. *-*;

I'm on a roll here, reading about the foundations of America is a good booster.

[charter]

LG, I had suspicions that lead me up to the point where I'm assuming you're scum. It's not like I began the game and picked three people to hound. I'm saying that your play makes perfect sense as scum, and not much sense as town.

[Lord Gurgi]

If only you had some manner with which to state this opinions in a collected and reasoned way. The problem Charter, is that when you make your cases the conclusions have already been made, and many things you draw from the statements of the concerned person, seem twisted to make the position in which you stand more agreeable, whether they are or not. Neutrality in evidence, sureness in conviction are the two necessary things; you have one, not the other. I myself often lack in one or the other, make no mistake, I claim no great superiority when I say what I do.

[charter]

Well, I haven't seen much you've done that looks townie to me.

[Lord Gurgi]

I addressed this previously, with an assumption of guilt, it is hard for one to see even the most benign actions as what they are.

[camn]

Christ you guys.. can we take it down a notch?
Neither of you are building any kind of case.

So look...
I'm inclined to suspect that at least TWO of these people are scum:

LG
Charter
CF Riot.

Thats my list.
My reasons? Process of elimination. In my mind I have cleared everyone else.

Anyone else think they know who the scum are?

[Lord Gurgi]

I think Charter is scum, as has been evidenced. I had a short reprieve during which I thought I was wrong about my previous convictions, I now realize that I was right. Beyond that I am altogether unsure. It would probably depend on Thesp's investigation, if he investigated the dead man again, or if he got some result.

[CF Riot]

Possibles are LG, Charter, SG, and Fark in that order. (And I guess myself to all of you.) Unlike LG and Charter, I'm waiting on Thesp before I decide anything.

To all those who thought Walnut was scum and Mac was town, what are your revised thoughts?

Forgot to answer this. Umm, I guess since Walnut is dead my revised thoughts are Walnut is town and Mac is scum. =/ I don't know what else to add to it. I need to go back and see if Mac did any distancing, or if anyone did any distancing from Mac. I used the night phase as time off since school started again and it's been the weekend.

...reading about the foundations of America is a good booster.

I always felt really into this game right after watching DeathNote. Pretending to be L is fun lol.

[Lord Gurgi]

A psychologist might say that saying you like to pretend to be L is you inadvertently suggesting that you are an SK. As do all people want to tell the truth at some level. But I would never suggest that.

Mac turning up scum really changes how the game should be viewed, especially since many were/are surprised at the truth.

[Thesp]

I got an innocent. I don't think it's best to reveal who it is - haven't read the thread yet except the morning death scene. More later.

[camn]

Who was surprised?

Were you Surprised at the truth, LG?

[charter]

@Camn, I wouldn't say Fark is cleared. True that Walnut was also likely town after Mac was mafia, as long as Fark's alive, he's not cleared.