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JohnnyFarrar Jack of All Trades
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So all caught up for the most part. I like Hikari and derp for town.
Trendall would be a great lim today, one because there's a non-zero chance that they're scum but also that would help me read Glitch and Noraa with minor tells on half the PL at this point.
HOWEVER, based on scuminess alone I think I'll VOTE: PLUSLEPhone posting. Low effort, big fun.
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Hiraki Survivor
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I guess? You don't like to try to be right 100% of the time?In post 411, Flubbernugget wrote:
Nothing about a wagon being in a good position should make you sweat.In post 408, Hiraki wrote:Agreed on first which is making me sweat a little in that I'm just wrong in going the VI route but I'm going to soak a little more before doing anything. I think that slot needs to be terminated before Day 3 though so a Day 1 isn't the worst case scenario. I just don't see it flipping red.-
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JohnnyFarrar Jack of All Trades
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Hiraki Survivor
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It's both. The sweating is from mislabeling VI to be scum.In post 427, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Is it just the vibe of the wagon you don't like? Or has trendall turned you around somewhere
Also I'll be at work for the next 12ish hours, and the holiday will make me busy-
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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In post 416, JohnnyFarrar wrote:1) I have a ranking at this point. It goes Glitch -> Trendall -> Hiraki - > Everyone null -> you for this post - > nopo -> Plus. With the caveat that if I'm wrong about one of Glitch / Trendall, I'm wrong about both because I don't see them on opposite teams here.
What did you read that changed your mind from Trendall being your #2 town read to being "a great lim" for the day?In post 425, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Trendall would be a great lim today, one because there's a non-zero chance that they're scum but also that would help me read Glitch and Noraa with minor tells on half the PL at this point.-
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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Trendall was the biggest wagon in the game so far. It is unlikely that the largest wagon so far had 0 scum on it. If we zoom into each one of the players who have been on the Trendall wagon, here are each of their takes on Trendall and how they handled that wagon. I am not including mine because it I had a 2 hour 1v1 with him and it would be way too many quotes to post. If you want to read my thoughts and interactions with Trendall, please go to my ISO and the majority will probably be about Trendall.
Spoiler: Flub regarding Trendall
Spoiler: NoPoint on Trendall
Spoiler: Keita on Trendall
Spoiler: PLUSjoyed's on Trendall
Ratings:
Flub: D
NoPoint: A+
Keita: C-
PLUSjoyed: D-
I'm still staying on Noraa at this point but I will compromise onto {PLUSjoyed / derp} and am open to discussions on JohnnyFarrar, Flub, and maybe Keita.
Just being honest though I would love to just PL derp today because of how inaccurate our shot is going to be anyway and (no offense) but scum will let that slot live until endgame with the shallow and non-threatening playstyle. If we have a D1 lynch that we are going to be the least accurate with we could at least redeem it for something useful that could help us in endgame. I promise I'm not trying to be rude or mean at all but I am trying to play the game to win. There's no way to sort derp and 86ing that slot today would probably be my biggest preference. Noraa would be good too. Others are considerable.-
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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Long story short because I want to go to bed:
- Flub gets a D because the way he handles that situation is so surface and not hunting at all. Just reactionary. D
- NoPoint is involved, interested, and hunting. A+
- Keita's playstyle is hard for me to read through. There's not a lot here and feels pretty null. C-
- PLUSjoyed's handling to the situation felt opportunistic and lazy. D-
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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Activity is not alignment indicative.In post 428, Staarling wrote:I think Hiraki is a townie because he writes really long posts which he could've split up if he wanted to which would make him look more active and townier, but he doesn't care about looking that way-
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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JohnnyFarrar Jack of All Trades
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Time mostly. The further we get away from you two's little kumbayah brotherly love moment the more paranoid I get about both of you. If he flipped scum I would defo rethink my townread on youIn post 431, Glitch wrote:What did you read that changed your mind from Trendall being your #2 town read to being "a great lim" for the day?Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
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JohnnyFarrar Jack of All Trades
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For the record, not on board with policy lims in general and this one is especially thin because derp isn't even anti townIn post 432, Glitch wrote:Just being honest though I would love to just PL derp today because of how inaccurate our shot is going to be anyway and (no offense) but scum will let that slot live until endgame with the shallow and non-threatening playstyle. If we have a D1 lynch that we are going to be the least accurate with we could at least redeem it for something useful that could help us in endgame. I promise I'm not trying to be rude or mean at all but I am trying to play the game to win. There's no way to sort derp and 86ing that slot today would probably be my biggest preference.Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
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Hopkirk Jack of All Trades
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Got half an hour free so let's see how much of this I can catch up with. Might not be able to manage it since somehow you lunatics have managed to create eighteen whole pages in 5 days. What is this, a large?
I'm the kind of guy who sees more than two posts per person per day and doesn't know why anyone would think that excessive amount of posting is necessary. Then you see people like Flubbernugget who've managed 29 posts already. That is over FIVE posts per day. Where could he possible find the time for that.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Hopkirk Jack of All Trades
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My thing got delayed an hour so I should be able to catch up. Who knows, I might even manage to his TWO whole posts today. A new personal record!
Damn, I actually fell for it and thought you preceding post was serious. Can we have some sort of warning in the post instead of afterwards next time
PJ obvtown.In post 21, PlusJOYED wrote:pt notes: keep glitch alive he townreads me
-He only does it as scumIn post 47, Noraa wrote:
we did that and even made a big chart thingie. But like the prob was that occassionally there were exceptions and he doesnt seem to use the word "fellow" that much even in scum games. And on top of that, the person SRing him was heavily SRed AND on top of that, not all of our town power had claimed so it looked like we were extremely underpowered so we believed his pr claim.In post 45, Trendall wrote:
Couldn't somebody have just searched Bob's games to find out whether that's true or not?In post 44, Noraa wrote:Bob got called out in the last game with me for only saying the word "fellow" in scum games. No one believed it at the time and we limmed the person that said it but they were right :/
-Except for some exceptions where he does it as town
-He doesn't really do it much as either
uh...
Not a fan of Bob/Flubber p3 interactions.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Hopkirk Jack of All Trades
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This slot is incredibly obvtown (obvious town)In post 77, Staarling wrote:Hi!!! this my first game, ever... So I might take a while to get used to it
It seems strange to me that there were so many votes on Bob before he even said anything. Is Bob the type of player the mafia would want dead?
My theory is that Noora might actually be scared of Bob catching her out so she's trying to get rid of him early and is then hiding it as an excuse of being scared of him being mafia... but I'm going to keep my vote dormant until I'm more sure!
Normally I like self meta but this is pretty eh.In post 95, Glitch wrote:
This is more of a newbie reaction than a seasoned player reaction. I simply asked you a question with a reference to a previous post because it looked like you got a slight miniscule amount of pressure placed on you by Trendall when he asked if anyone could just check bobs meta, and then you quietly showed back up having checked it out. That pinged me; why would it be scummy of me to question you on it? I didn't vote you. I didn't call for a wagon. I simply asked you questions to try and sort you.In post 88, Noraa wrote:
Kinda confused but like the fellow thing had nothing to do with why I went back and checked. It was actually because I was talking about traitors elsewhere can't remember which thread but like someone said that traitors are a mafia member that isn't known to the mafia and the mafia only knows of their existence. I thought a traitor was like basically a RBer or something but Bob was def in the mafia thread from the start that game so I went back and checked and once I saw that I was like oh, huh so he wasn't a traitor. So I thought I'd share.In post 75, Glitch wrote:
Did you do it because of this?:In post 67, Noraa wrote:
yeah. the info's right this time I saw it with my two eyes.In post 60, Glitch wrote:
Did you go back and check the game thread?In post 50, Noraa wrote:Btw I remembered wrong. Bob wasn't a mafia traitor last game. He was just an informed goon.
The traitor was from a different game of mine.
Why did this post put enough pressure on you to make you check the thread? Are you hyper self aware because your scum, or because you're Noraa?In post 45, Trendall wrote:
Couldn't somebody have just searched Bob's games to find out whether that's true or not?In post 44, Noraa wrote:Bob got called out in the last game with me for only saying the word "fellow" in scum games. No one believed it at the time and we limmed the person that said it but they were right :/
Doesnt really have much to do with being self aware and your attempt to dig into this is a bit concerning and kinda a red flag to me. Consider your past pocketing as cancelled out.
I'm a very aggressive player. I tend to go really hard at people and grill them as town because I need to sort them. This reaction out of you gives me some info but not exactly super helpful info. From what I know of you, this reaction -- which I would describe as newbie (no offense), dramatic, and overreacting to a small, minor push -- seems to be consistent with your personality and playstyle across games. Therefore I don't imagine your response would be AI for you.
With other players I would normally find it a red flag to immediately throw shade on me for pushing them and calling them on something. Because I know you a little bit though I just doubt that your reaction is scum indicative but rather just Noraa indicative.
Why do you think it is scummy for me to see something from you that makes me raise an eyebrow, and to ask you about it pointedly? Also: why are you taking a two-quote post trying to understand you as "flipping out" on you? Don't you think that's a not of a flip out yourself over me trying to sort you?
I don't really like how this sums up to townreads on all the active players (which I don't feel there's enough to justify), not a townread on the most obvtown (new) player in the thread.In post 103, nopointinactingup wrote:@Thoughts about shits and gigglez at the beginning: I'd keep a note to myself that the 3 participants is leaning town based on the conversation. I also think it's a townish sign to start the first wagon quickly since scum benefit from stalling the game. Noraa, Gitch, Plus can be town for now.
I feel that this is a little bit contrived. It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked. Have you done this in any of your previous town games?In post 46, Trendall wrote:In post 43, Noraa wrote:the question is more why did you not vote in general?By not voting and seeing how people react to that, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.
Based on this response to the wagon I'm leaning town on Bob because he's showing scum-hunting intent rather than self-preservation.In post 51, bob3141 wrote:
This blind vote leaves me feeling flubber is town. The fourth vote on the first rvs wagon is almost always from town especially the more blind it is. As scum tend to have trepidation when voting a townie on the first rvs wagon i find. They might vote early or after the ice is broken but not that on the tipping point between being nearer no votes and being near exec.
This seems defensive. Keeping knowledge and even reads and opinions secret are bad for town and good for scum.In post 55, Trendall wrote:
How do you know? I could have figured out who all the mafia are by now for all you know.In post 49, Flubbernugget wrote:t doesn't seem to be doing much
In post 90, Trendall wrote:Agree with what Noraa says in post #88, I thought the same thing too before she said it.
VOTE: Glitch
This feels really sheepish. Which part of Nora's post do you agree with? Why do you think scum-Glitch would necessarily try to push on Nora when you are his biggest suspect?
VOTE: Vote:Trendall
Do you have a record of all this or did you just look it up?In post 114, Trendall wrote:Games where I don’t post a random vote in my first post as town are Newbies 977, 989, 1024, 1053, 1066, 1084, 1793, 1893, and 2035. So I’ve been doing exactly this for about ten years. Which again, anybody could have easily looked up. Unless they didn’t actually care and just wanted to cast suspicion on me, I guess.
In games 1075 and 1094, I place a random vote for people who don’t have avatars, but both of these games are from 2011 and I wouldn’t care about this sort of thing nowadays.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Hopkirk Jack of All Trades
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You know you can make posts with more than one sentence in them right? That page felt 'trying to look really hard to look town'.In post 174, Glitch wrote:Holy crap I posted way more than I thought I did. I'm going to bed now, goodnight friends!
Ok I'm getting hard 'Hectic alt' pings from Staarling's posting now actually. There's just a little too much stuff that feels like a stereotype/parody of obvious new town for me to be 100% sure you're a new player and not another player called Hectic playing under an alt account. You've hit a lot of marks like 'Let's not vote anyone today, lots of words are town, not wanting to play scum, the Noraa avatar thing. Plus Hectic isn't in this game. That's pretty suspicious all on its own.In post 236, Staarling wrote:I think Trendall is a townie because that's a looooooot of words and I think it's hard for mafia to write so much right now, because we don't any good informationThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Trendell can be town from the 1v1. Glitch to be sorted later.
Backing down from a tunnel? Albert would be ashamed.In post 288, Glitch wrote:
Hmm.In post 278, Trendall wrote:
You've misinterpreted me here, it's not about 'towntells', I don't care about 'tells' generally for reasons I gave in post 255.In post 264, Glitch wrote:[6] - Why don't you care what is and isn't a towntell? Sorting town is just as important as sorting scum. Process of elimination can lead you straight to the mafia.
The player in question I was referring to seemed to think that it was my responsibility to like actively towntell or something. It's the responsibility of the other players to interpret my behaviour correctly, it's not my responsibility to 'act correctly' in accordance to their own personal understanding of how a town player behaves vs. how a mafia player behaves - I'd have no way of knowing what that is.
If a player I think is mafia flips town I wouldn't want to be like 'that's your fault for acting scummy', I would be like 'that's my mistake, I misread the situation'.
What they said to me was ridiculous because they were like...trying to give me advice as to how to look more town or something like that? But I'm not trying to actively act like town, I would never do that, that would just confuse things because that's what mafia are trying to do. I'm just sorta like...playing the game how I play it, and this is outside what that player is used to.
UNVOTE: Trendall
I'm leaning to say this post doesn't come from scum. I'm trying to sort my frustration and read of this slot separate from each other and this post and making me lean a bit away from scum. I'll need to go back and ISO you soon and really evaluate things more deeply, but at this point with a 5-player wagon I think we've gotten more than enough from this wagon and I am not down with shredding you at this point anymore.
whyIn post 347, Staarling wrote:I think Noraa, Glitch, Trendall are all townies
this reads as odd coming from a new person, more evidence it's Hectic
You could also vote people who aren't obvtown. Thanks.In post 353, derp wrote:derp supports the noraa wagon, but derp would also like to see some more from this:
VOTE: plusjoyed
derp thinks u are coasting and u do random call outs that come across more as u trying to throw shade at players without really committing to it (flub) als if derp has to be completely honest he finds the interactions between u and noraa to be really odd and is not a fan of either slot
so dear derp would like to know what ur actual read on flub is
Good. This had better be a wagon by the time I reach page 18.
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Hopkirk Jack of All Trades
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Just saw how many posts I've made. I'm so sorry. I guess I'm one of those 'hyperposters' now
Nice reads. Gl recovering.In post 379, Hiraki wrote:Sorry guys - I got into a car accident. Nothing serious and I can continue but I'm not going to be writing anything tonight. I still think Trendall flips town and I feel pretty good about what I read (and read again) on nopoint.
Nopoint.In post 383, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I'm a Bob. Hello! Sleepy catchup incoming. While I read, somebody come tell me who to vote
Not if you're ineligible for the newbie queueIn post 387, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Should you not have been in a newbie first? Is that not a rule anymore?In post 54, Keita wrote:Just so you all know this is my first forum mafia game. My experience with mafia is with games that take 1-3 hours lolThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Hopkirk Jack of All Trades
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Town: Staarling, Plus, Hiraki, Trendall. Maybe Noraa. Maybe Keita (this one because 212 doesn't feel like how new scum would approach a wagon on town (this is also assuming new scum less likely to bus there))
Johnny's entrance and follow up is meh.
Flubber has no depth
Nopoint sus.
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Hopkirk Jack of All Trades
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