Mini 663 - Mind Screw Mafia II - Over

[dahill1]

/confirm

[dahill1]

wow
i was just about to post about why i thought Tar might be a player this game and then vote for him
good thing the thread was locked right as i posted
this is what originally piqued my interest..

Tarhalindur has received a Rules Infraction for post 12.

due to this and the whole forbiddan getting killed thing: i think it is likely that Tar is actually playing this game (as opposed to being a role like in the last game)
anyways,

vote MafiaSSK

due to the fact that he tends to be anti-town regardless of alignment

Preview Edit: i had to confirm in the game

[dahill1]

woah i just had a good idea
we don't really know too much yet about Tar as a potential player, but how about this:

instead of a lynch, we get the scummiest person to vote for Tar. if nothing happens, then we proceed with the lynch. if the person is daykilled, then we can possibly continue the day?
what do you guys think about that?

[dahill1]

Actually, I think Tar IS a player. Usually, Tar would post what he said in post 23 in a vote count.

QFT. based on the last game, he wouldn't have made a separate post.

@Tar: i didn't think it would work out, but might as well try right?

[dahill1]

Vote: Natirasha

for great glory. I find it unlikely Tar is a player in the game, however, I do find it likely that he might be biased.

what do you mean by biased? as in he knows all of the roles of the players?
i can't find the link ATM but there was a Dragon Phoenix game in which the mod was a SK that killed based on who made the 13th post of each day. this is Mind Screw, so i do find it likely that the Mod is a player.

[dahill1]

Also...rules Infraction for /confirm? Hmm...

i'm assuming that you might have been asked to confirm via PM but you did in the thread

[dahill1]

First to start off with my random vote,

Vote Wall-E

. Looking at Tar's infraction's, my deduction says that if I say anything related to God (he said Holy in the other infraction) I get a infraction.

that seems a little extreme
i think it was due to him not saying "Point of Order!" which he usually starts off a votecount with

[dahill1]

@iamusername: yes, i read through most of the last game

I'm pretty sure both those infractions were for double posting.

nah i double posted on the first page and didn't receive any infraction

Vote: Cyberbob

for bandwagoneering.

is this a serious vote?

[dahill1]

It is a real vote. I don't really know what you mean by "serious."

as in, not random.
do you really think two votes is bandwagoning?
also, do you think early Day 1 bandwagons are good/bad and why?

[dahill1]

It is a real vote. I don't really know what you mean by "serious."

as in, not random.
do you really think two votes is bandwagoning?

Sure, why not.[/quote[

X

I think that day one voting is a bit random at best, but I've seen scum lynched day 1 enough to put some stock in the discussion part of the process. I prefer the lynch to occur as close to deadline as possible so the scummiest person possible is killed.

i don't mean a Day 1 bandwagon that is necessarily carried out into a lynch, but just Day 1 bandwagons in general

[dahill1]

argh messed up the tags
real post:

It is a real vote. I don't really know what you mean by "serious."

as in, not random.
do you really think two votes is bandwagoning?

Sure, why not.

X

I think that day one voting is a bit random at best, but I've seen scum lynched day 1 enough to put some stock in the discussion part of the process. I prefer the lynch to occur as close to deadline as possible so the scummiest person possible is killed.

i don't mean a Day 1 bandwagon that is necessarily carried out into a lynch, but just Day 1 bandwagons in general

[dahill1]

Do I think bandwagons on day one are a good idea? I'm going to say yes. Pressure is our sharpest tool.

Vote: Cyberbob

for bandwagoneering.

unvote vote Wall-E

[dahill1]

dahill1: Do you think a bandwagon with no reason behind it is a good idea?

first of all, this is (was?) the random voting stage, so when people make their first vote, they usually don't have an incredible amount of reasoning

second, 2 votes =/= a bandwagon

[dahill1]

Vote: Cyberbob

for bandwagoneering.

I said "Bandwagoneering." I don't think it's a real word, so I'll define it:

"To add one's vote to another person's for the purpose of trying to start a bandwagon."

vote still stands. you said bandwagons on day 1 are beneficial. yet you attack Cyberbob for trying to start one.

die hypocriticalscum die

[dahill1]

I just realized the flaw with your logic, dahill1.

I voted for Cyberbob for starting a bandwagon with no stated reason. Translation: I approve of bandwagons so long as they have a stated reason.

I hope that is clearer. Now that you've strawman'd me and I've pointed out the flaw in your strawman I'll give you a chance to respond or retract your stance before I FoS you.

please, no!!!! anything but FoSing me!!!!
my vote still stands, but i have to go so i'll explain more when i get the time to post

[dahill1]

I just realized the flaw with your logic, dahill1.

I voted for Cyberbob for starting a bandwagon with no stated reason. Translation: I approve of bandwagons so long as they have a stated reason.

I hope that is clearer. Now that you've strawman'd me and I've pointed out the flaw in your strawman I'll give you a chance to respond or retract your stance before I FoS you.

ok, first off, i can see your reason now for voting Cyberbob. IMO you just didn't make it clear enough before, but that's just from my perspective. however, i still dislike this post for a couple of reasons. i thought it was obvious that i was talking about all types of Day 1 bandwagons, whether they be random or not. i only found out you were talking about non-random ones in this post, yet you accuse me of strawmanning. i especially don't like this next sentence:

I'll give you a chance to respond or retract your stance before I FoS you.

i can't put my finger on why yet, but it seems scummy to me

Wall-E is acting very strangly with his votes, but seems to be not scummy. I'm thinking maybe he could be a Jester?

Unvote, Vote: malthusis

also QFT

unvote vote malthusis

first of all, what do you mean by acting strangely? that normally implies some sort of scumminess, but in the next part you say he's not scummy..
and then you mention the possibility of a Jester... *sigh*

[dahill1]

Wall-E: you can vote for anyone and it will show up in the VC. i don't think that's significant to the game. the only anomaly i see is that the number of Wall-E's votes are switched with his number of FoS's.

Wall-E (3) - DragonsofSummer, malthusis

<snip>

Wall-E (2) - Jebus, malthusis, Wall-E

[dahill1]

it definitely has to do with either DoS/malthusis
i'm thinking malthusis based on Wall-E's above post

[dahill1]

Do you think we should ask the double voter to claim or try to not reveal it? (In my mind, either we should either hide the double voter, or reveal him to help us).

this is like answering a question by saying: "Well, the answer is either yes or no..."

Also, I'm going to throw an

unvote, vote: DGB

. Speak up, will you.

any reason you chose DGB over forbiddanlight (the other lurker)

[dahill1]

Also, I'm going to throw an

unvote, vote: DGB

. Speak up, will you.

any reason you chose DGB over forbiddanlight (the other lurker)

Always go for the more well-known player, you know.

Also, forbiddanlight is dead.

[dahill1]

i'm fine with it. a benefit is that if there is any type of role cop like last game they can catch a fakeclaiming scum. however, like in last game, there could be certain roles that investigate as rolenames different from their own. but this all depends of the existence of said role cop

[dahill1]

I am not claiming my role name or place of origin though, so I can disprove scum counter-claims.

what do you mean by this?

[dahill1]

I'm against it. I'm sure scum will claim my role name.( Hopefully they'll do it in the mass name claim).

why do you think this?

[dahill1]

My win condition is that I win with the town; I am not a member of any kind of anti-town informed minority or a serial killer.

As much as DGB's playstyle confuses me, I see no reason why Natirasha refuses to say it

[dahill1]

But I don't win with the town.

...

unvote vote Natirasha

[dahill1]

DGB is not asking for any of those things.

Vote: DragonsofSummer

I'll unvote you when (and only when) you post the sentence as DGB wrote it.

FoS: Wall-E

is it really that big of a deal that it deserves a vote??

[dahill1]

Wall-E every time I start to feel better about you being town you go and post something like that. For the rest of the town who is hopefully sane, lynching me today would be a terrible idea for reasons I am willing to discuss if I have to.

also QFT
Wall-E goes from doing something scummy to seeming townie and then scummy again and so on

[dahill1]

I agree with DGB's idea 100% and your refusal to post a simple sentence (lie or otherwise) is alarming to me.

your reaction to him not posting it is alarming to me

[dahill1]

i support the vigging (if there is one) of natirasha tonight

[dahill1]

i believe the Natirasha's origin claim, but he could easily still be scum
Natirasha, last game the survivor had to survive a certain day...is this the same for you?

[dahill1]

I've got sort-of an idea. We lynch DrippingGoofball now. If he's really a lie-detector, we've got our list of mafia/townies, and we can go from there. Mindscrew is the only type of mafia game where a lie detector role even sounds partly plausible >.<

Personally, though, I'm not convinced completely.

unvote: DragonofSummer
Vote: DrippingGoofball

unvote vote Jebus

this post...

is so.....SO....

SO

SCUMMY

[dahill1]

sorry for not posting..
first of all, i would like to say that this wagon on DoS is crap, and DGB is being ridiculous. to be honest, when DGB first told us to post the sentence, i was in no way thinking about a lie detector either. i just figured she was being DGB so i decided to go along with it. i can 100% understand DoS not wanting to go along with it, and when DGB claimed he posted the sentence right afterwards. in summary, there is basically no case. also, the fact that Jebus, malthusis, Wall-E, and DGB are on his wagon helps the case against him being scum, because IMO they are probably some of the scummiest so far.

also, for origin claim i'm from Alice in Wonderland

[dahill1]

Can you point out what the "idiocy" is?

basically, the post by malthusis could be applied to anything...
for example,

hmm...bob made a good case on john, and he seems pro-town to me

unvote

OMG YOU ARE UNVOTING HIM BECAUSE HE'S YOUR SCUMBUDDY

[dahill1]

Wall-E [is one of the] scummiest so far.

Can you quantify this a little for me?

basically, your incessant following of DGB in practically every post
there are probably some other points but im about to shower so im lazy atm

[dahill1]

Wall-E [is one of the] scummiest so far.

Can you quantify this a little for me?

basically, your incessant following of DGB in practically every post
there are probably some other points but im about to shower so im lazy atm

Why is that so scummy?

can you not see how this is scummy?

DoS is still alive????

Good enough for me.

Vote: DragonsofSummer

[dahill1]

dahill1: He pops in after lurking for a while and accuses four people with no backup points. He also opportunistically took advantage of Jebus' bad plan to lynch DGB and added momentum to the bandwagon against him.

ok i admit i had been lurking, but mainly due to RL stuff. also, the people i had been accusing are the ones i've been accusing the whole game (with the exception of maybe DGB). what do you mean by took advantage of Jebus' bad plan? of course i attacked Jebus because it was incredibly scummy. just because i attack someone who is repeatedly scummy doesn't mean i'm taking advantage of them. and yes, i do want Jebus lynched because i believe him to be scum

You just went up a click on my scumometer.

Why would you disbelieve a roleclaim automatically on day 1? Go along with the claim until DGB paints herself into a corner. This is, and always has been, my policy on a town power-role claim this early in the game.

i never said i disbelieved her roleclaim. but even if DGB is telling the truth, how could she 100% know who scum is without even receiving her result yet?? say a cop claims on Day 1, and he thinks so-and-so is scum. that doesn't mean that the person is automatically scum.

with a half-eyeball on dahill1 for his assertion that I'm scummy.

im p sure this is the definition of OMGUS

Ok. I was trying to unbalance Jebus' wagon.

why?

[dahill1]

um..i was V/LA
anyways, the VC has been locked, but i'm not entirely sure if Jebus will still even be lynched due to him not getting lynched at 7 votes
i guess we'll see

OOPS. I am duly embarrassed. Dahill1's Rules Infractions and Official Warning have been removed.

In addition, as far as I can tell, Jebus has never been at seven votes. - Tar

[dahill1]

GG!
i'm proud to say my scumdar was pretty good this game (Wall-E, Cyberbob).
I didn't really suspect Batt though...i think if we had a few less "distractions" (DGB, malth, Jebus) we coulda won that

[dahill1]

Dahill, you didn't suspect me at all?

i did somewhat, but after wall-e flipped scum i reread and immediately got cyberbob from his actions