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[Staarling]

if you were town here Gypyx, I don't understand why you didn't put up more of a fight

doesn't this make more sense from Gypyx if he's just a vanilla townie? i think he'd put up more of a fight if he was a powerful role or mafia..

[Battle Mage]

this is the sort of game where if scum includes any 2 of Shelly-Datisi-Iconeum, town is screwed because they will steamroll the days. on the flipside, if they are all town, it should be a good bet for a win.

[Battle Mage]

if you were town here Gypyx, I don't understand why you didn't put up more of a fight

doesn't this make more sense from Gypyx if he's just a vanilla townie? i think he'd put up more of a fight if he was a powerful role or mafia..

well he clearly isnt a powerful town role as he claimed vanilla. I think scum are as liable to give-up tbh, although I wasn't making an assertion about his alignment in the post above, so you've inferred that yourself. it would depend on who the partner is and the gamestate though.

keen to get your general thoughts on me!

[Staarling]

@Ydrasse: your triangle is almost like mine! we both have almost straight line graphs :>

@Battle Mage: hmmm i dunno. i was confused by post 928 as well because it seems like an innocent mistake Gypyx made even if he is mafia so why would it make you more confident

[Battle Mage]

@Ydrasse: your triangle is almost like mine! we both have almost straight line graphs :>

@Battle Mage: hmmm i dunno. i was confused by post 928 as well because it seems

like an innocent mistake Gypyx made even if he is mafia

so why would it make you more confident

i didn't assume it was an innocent mistake, no. It could have been, but the fact is he cut out a key part of the sentence and then used this botched statement to reach a conclusion which:

A. Didn't make sense and was clearly not the most likely explanation for what I meant.
B. Made me look bad i.e. shading me.

Not that it would really benefit him to do that if he was scum I guess, given he has clearly accepted he is dying. So no, overall I suppose I'm not convinced he's scum, but I didn't like the seemingly intentional misrep.

I'm going to go for a soul-read though and VOTE: Staarling. The white-knighting of Gypyx screams informed-scum distancing from an inevitable townflip, and the bold above feels like a slip to get the alignment the wrong way around.

[Battle Mage]

also I just feel like it wouldve made more sense to be concerned about the fact I'm fundamentally voting Gypyx whilst not being overly convinced he's scum, rather than critiquing some vague justification after the event. Like, it's not hard to explain why you might think I was scum, but you chose an odd justification in my view.

[Battle Mage]

also you havent done anything to defend Gypyx - you've shown up at a point where he is seemingly certain to be elimmed, to get some nominal towncred if he flips green, but without fighting hard to derail anything.

It feels like everyone's spirits have been crushed by the 39 pages so far...

[Battle Mage]

we dont have time or momentum to actually do it, but let it be noted I am now scumreading Staarling, and Shelly please stick her back in your gunsmith pool.

VOTE: Gypyx

[Staarling]

i really don't like Battle Mage now

[Datisi]

i agree that like, if gypyx is scum here, the plan was to act as anti-survivalistically as possible, and failing that then giving up like this *probably* means the scumteam ain't in the best position anyway and the game is Probably Easy

BM, you don't townread me?

[Staarling]

VOTE: Battle Mage

seems to me that he changed his mind on me as soon as he saw i had some suspicion on him

[Staarling]

@battle mage: i'm suspicious of you because you're one of the people voting for Gypyx who i think is a townie but i think i dislike your reasons the most. i think you're making them up

[Battle Mage]

i really don't like Battle Mage now

yeah i saw you were paving the way for this tomorrow anyway. crumbing in some suspicion of me to set up a mis-elim off the back of Gypyx. Let's battle!

[Battle Mage]

@battle mage: i'm suspicious of you because you're one of the people voting for Gypyx who i think is a townie but i think i dislike your reasons the most. i think you're making them up

This is one of my issues with your assessment of me. You think Gypyx is probably town, as do I. But despite my read, I'm voting him. So surely you should be suspicious of me for that?

But no, instead you try to look like you're scumhunting by attempting to delve into trivialities of my assessment of one of Gypyx's posts - which frankly is neither here nor there.

I could understand you suspecting me, but you've jumped over the patently obvious reason, and your actual reason isn't credible. I've challenged you on this, and you've declined to respond. If you were really suspicious of everyone voting Gypyx, I think you would have said so, or at least done more to stop him being elimmed. But I figure if you're scum you'd be worried about alienating too many people?

[Battle Mage]

i agree that like, if gypyx is scum here, the plan was to act as anti-survivalistically as possible, and failing that then giving up like this *probably* means the scumteam ain't in the best position anyway and the game is Probably Easy

BM, you don't townread me?

maybe true, if he flips scum. but i dont feel good about it at all - especially the way the wagon has stalled with nobody willing to hammer. Usually the sign of a town wagon. Can we really not do an alternative?

And I don't have a strong townread on you, no. Nor do I particularly scumread you. You're not on the list I'd currently be elimming except by association perhaps.

[Battle Mage]

seems to me that he changed his mind on me as soon as he saw i had some suspicion on him

not exactly - I changed my mind on you as soon as you appeared like you knew Gypyx would flip town and wanted to gently put your weight behind a BM mis-elim tomorrow, and your reason for doing so was not believable.

[Datisi]

i agree that like, if gypyx is scum here, the plan was to act as anti-survivalistically as possible, and failing that then giving up like this *probably* means the scumteam ain't in the best position anyway and the game is Probably Easy

BM, you don't townread me?

maybe true, if he flips scum. but i dont feel good about it at all - especially the way the wagon has stalled with nobody willing to hammer. Usually the sign of a town wagon. Can we really not do an alternative?

And I don't have a strong townread on you, no. Nor do I particularly scumread you. You're not on the list I'd currently be elimming except by association perhaps.

i don't think that's the case, ydrasse has said she's going to hammer, no? and like, i dunno. i started off good on gypyx. then he started lurking out, until the main wagon claimed PR, at which case he pre-emptively claimed VT and started acting as unsurvivalistically as possible which is like, not giving me Good Feels. also the whole scummy-VT-claim, never getting shot, risk of outing more PRs, *especially* this close to deadline where we potentially risk a no-elim.

how much do you factor meta into your reads? like i feel like i'm decently towny so far, especially considering the experience you have with me, so i'm kinda curious about that

[Staarling]

@Battle Mage: i'm not suspicious of everyone voting for gypyx!! just you cuz the reasons you were giving when talking about him seemed maybe like you were lying. even if you're not confident and think he's a townie, you still gave reasons for why he's mafia while voting him like you were trying to justify your vote, and those didn't seem real to me

@shelly: i think you should do a gunsmith check on battle mage :>

[Battle Mage]

I see we are still a couple heads down so far

where's Mini and the Bailey?

Im here just didnt realise the game started lol.
I feel like you are town and from my understanding

you're fairly new to this?

lol this makes me so happy, and actually makes me think it ain't Ico-Mini. hmm....

It's definitely Mini + 1, given her iso, so maybe that's the starting point.

[Gypyx]

Hmmm, straaling's "slip" doesn't look that problematic to me BM, like, if she is under the mindset that i'm town, i also see her writing that, i'd say it's 50/50

Anways i'll answer your question Battle boi

[Battle Mage]

i agree that like, if gypyx is scum here, the plan was to act as anti-survivalistically as possible, and failing that then giving up like this *probably* means the scumteam ain't in the best position anyway and the game is Probably Easy

BM, you don't townread me?

maybe true, if he flips scum. but i dont feel good about it at all - especially the way the wagon has stalled with nobody willing to hammer. Usually the sign of a town wagon. Can we really not do an alternative?

And I don't have a strong townread on you, no. Nor do I particularly scumread you. You're not on the list I'd currently be elimming except by association perhaps.

i don't think that's the case, ydrasse has said she's going to hammer, no? and like, i dunno. i started off good on gypyx. then he started lurking out, until the main wagon claimed PR, at which case he pre-emptively claimed VT and started acting as unsurvivalistically as possible which is like, not giving me Good Feels. also the whole scummy-VT-claim, never getting shot, risk of outing more PRs, *especially* this close to deadline where we potentially risk a no-elim.

how much do you factor meta into your reads? like i feel like i'm decently towny so far, especially considering the experience you have with me, so i'm kinda curious about that

i dont actually feel i have that strong a meta on you! You're fairly null mate, sorry! In contrast, coz I've played scum with Ydrasse, been on the receiving end of scum-Ydrasse and seen her as town, I feel I have a confident meta on her.

On Gypyx, I liked the VT claim there, I think I'd have done similar as town in the past. He didn't need to do it, and it was obviously going to get him run up. I do appreciate the point about not running up another PR, but eh...

I just think it's Mini + 1. Mad we aren't elimming there today really...

[Battle Mage]

Hmmm, straaling's "slip" doesn't look that problematic to me BM, like, if she is under the mindset that i'm town, i also see her writing that, i'd say it's 50/50

Anways i'll answer your question Battle boi

it's not a stonewall scumslip, but it pinged me for sure!

[Gypyx]

Btw we have like a 1 in 7 chance of running that other PR though, and that's not even counting the fact that we're more likely to get scum (fmpov of course cuz i know i'm town)

Also datisi quick answer, the thing is that this :
>rl busy af
>i finally get the time to catch up
>Make a mid-catchup post
>mfw somehow i'm confscum 1 hour later

[Battle Mage]

@Battle Mage: i'm not suspicious of everyone voting for gypyx!! just you cuz the reasons you were giving when talking about him seemed maybe like you were lying. even if you're not confident and think he's a townie, you still gave reasons for why he's mafia while voting him like you were trying to justify your vote, and those didn't seem real to me

yeah, so like I said, you're being very careful to only suspect one person, and your reason is weak. You're accusing me of lying about a justification which I made after the fact - what's the motive? Why does scum-BM even bother to retrospectively justify a potentially elimming vote I've made on somebody? It's completely meaningless. In a funny way, I agree it wasn't a very good justification (I have already acknowledged this), and was probably more an outrage reaction at being misrepped than something which really indicated Gypyx-scum. But you're accusing me of lying, which is both untrue, and doesn't make any sense if I was scum. You also haven't engaged with any of my behaviour since, which I think you would have done if you were really interested in working out my alignment.

[Battle Mage]

Btw we have like a 1 in 7 chance of running that other PR though, and that's not even counting the fact that we're more likely to get scum (fmpov of course cuz i know i'm town)

Also datisi quick answer, the thing is that this :
>rl busy af
>i finally get the time to catch up
>Make a mid-catchup post
>mfw somehow i'm confscum 1 hour later

I really think, if it was solely up to me, I risk outting a PR and flip Mini here. *shrug*