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[JacksonVirgo]

VC 2.1

derp (3)

- Glitch, Hopkirk, Trendall

Not Voting (11)

- The Slime Collective, derp, JohnnyFarrar, Flubbernugget, Noraa, nopointinactingup, Keita, Staarling

It takes 6 votes to hammer, meaning derp is on L-3

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[Staarling]

Is two doctors impossible in a normal?

It’s possible

sorry, I missed the last few days but i'm back now!! :>

plus being a doctor is bad but derp is one too?

why does that mean derp is definitely mafia? maybe mafia have a strongman which would make sense why there's two of them? Jackson also said that quote which maybe is a hint that derp is really a doctor? because he's scared people will just vote for derp because they don't understand the rules

[Hopkirk]

UNVOTE: Derp

So, I think I should have claimed this yesterday before we voting Plus since it's now essentially useless if we've voted out the doctor and are going to vote someone who

might still be a doctor

. I was going to claim it, but I realized Plus's vote was the hammer (I was pretty sure it wasn't mine like the VC says at the time, but I haven't verified this) and there was no point claiming after the hammer.

I am the doctor enabler

. If I die then any doctors in the game cease being able to protect people.

I want to think about this, but I don't think Doctor/Doctor/Doctor Enabler/Maybe another PR/2-3 mafia maybe including a RB or strongman is impossible.

[Hopkirk]

Staarling how do you know what a 'strongman' is if you've never played mafia before.

Also @Staarling - can you post something when you're online as there's a question I want to ask you then get an answer in essentially real time.

[Hopkirk]

This seems like a fairly typical example of a 13p normal (SK is possible too, if Staarling is new then they may have scumslipped Strongman Serial killer tbh)

Sound of Silence, Mafia Goon, lynched day 1
XScorpion replaced Mephistopheles, Vanilla Townie, died night 1
HayatoBL, Mafia Goon, lynched day 4
Aegor replaced WBOCampfire1104, Mafia Goon, lynched day 2
TunnelVision, Town Odd-Night Vigilante, survived
My Milked Eek, Town Two-Shot Cop, died night 3
RadiantCowbells, Vanilla Townie, died night 2
don_johnson, Vanilla Townie, survived
ICEninja, Town Doctor, died night 1
Flameaxe, Vanilla Townie, survived
frog replaced Cedolad, Vanilla Townie, survived
ChannelDelibird replaced Remembrance, Vanilla Townie, survived
BBmolla replaced Pieguyn, Vanilla Townie, died night 3

[Hopkirk]

Doctor enablers in general are ridiculously rare in general in all past normal games (viewtopic.php?f=53&t=15732)

I really should have tried to push harder to leave it since I wasn't 100% yesterday this wasn't two doctors (I was thinking about it but didn't really want to claim because Plus just fakeclaiming is more likely than this being the first time for it to happen). The other issue was we didn't have the people to get another lethal. Really disappointed in the people who weren't online towards the end of the day tbh.

[Hopkirk]

If my thinking here is right then mafia just kill the doc then kill me afterwards. We're now probably in 8/3 mountainous which is like 85% mafia win, so yeah.

Oh yeah, one kill = we're in the three mafia world here rather than a SK world almost certainly. Doc/Doc/Enabler/X other town PR vs 3 maf is my setup guess right now. I'm thinking another town role as the setup just dies to mafia hitting enabler n1 or enabler dying d1. Maybe 2 other town roles, but 1 is also an option

[Hopkirk]

On the other hand of course, Derp could just be scum who fakeclaimed to get the doc voted off despite the move being low benefit for scum. The good thing is that essentially Derp can keep me alive until mafia kill him, so mafia do have to shoot him eventually if they want to ever kill me/Derp since otherwise they're in major trouble as the game progresses.

If Derp is fakeclaiming then I think we root him out as the game progresses as there's probably 2 reasonably strong or maybe 3 other power roles (given I'm strictly a negative utility one, there's also the possibility of a cop and cop enabler or something like that in the game, idk I'm not super strong on setup spec as it's mostly just arbitrary and you can't get good evidence)

[Hopkirk]

Right now I'm confident Staarling is Hectic and the whole push for no vote yesterday and not being online at end of day is strictly a terrible look for an experienced player to take.

[Staarling]

@Hopkirk: I've read a lot of the wiki, I needed to to learn all the lingo..
i'm really not Hectic, i don't even know who that is!! and i have played mafia before, i just meant that this was my first game on this site

[nopointinactingup]

Hopkirk, you were the hammer vote on Plusjoy yesterday, not Plusjoy herself. That action made no sense for your claim, this is why I'm not inclined to believe you.

Gonna reserve my vote for now to prevent possibility of a flash lynch. But my suspicion is definitely on derp and Hopkirk

[nopointinactingup]

So derp and Hopkirk could possibly be scum together or PR together but there's also a slim possibility that Hopkirk is town but derp isn't

[Hopkirk]

Why's that the slim possibility for you? That's arguably the most likely scenario from a third party viewpoint imo.

I didn't massively think about it until after there was a hammer. I voted because it seemed less likely than it just being one scum and we were under very tight deadline crunch with the only other option basically being NL.

[nopointinactingup]

Let me clarify that. I can see both Hopkirk and derp as scum planning this in the night or as town since Hopkirk's claimed role would make a multiple-doctor set-up much more likely. There is a chance that there's still only one doctor even with a doctor enabler in the game though, but that would really be bastard modding.

[Hopkirk]

Why would that be bastard modding. There's been a few games with 1 doctor enabler + 1 doctor but 0 with 2 doctors period (only looking at mini normals, haven't verified larges yet)

The issue with this being Derp scum is that Derp scum could have just sat back and got the Plus lethal anyway since there weren't really enough of us for another wagon to gain traction. Claiming that unneeded

[nopointinactingup]

Plus had claimed doctor and without derp's cc I don't think there would have been a Plus lynch. Derp's counter claim did come only 30 minutes after Plus's claim though, which leads me to believe it wasn't coordinated, so it's compelling evidence that derp could be town.

[nopointinactingup]

I haven't played for a long time, so I'm not going to insist on my feelings for set-up speculation, but one enabler one doctor is pretty weird

[Hopkirk]

Oh yeah. It probably would have been a no vote or a quick counterwagon on Flubber seems reasonable?

[Hopkirk]

But I still have a massive hunch derp is town doctor and I'm looking at something like Flubber/Jonny/Bob's replacement atm.

[nopointinactingup]

Trendall was looking like a wagon I could have compromised on when I came back to the game. Don't think I would have compromised on Flubber

[Hopkirk]

Trendall feels town to me. I liked their side of the earlier l-o-n-g conflict. I'm leaning on that being TvT. The game doesn't really feel like there's a vocal mafia influence in it.

[nopointinactingup]

I also felt that wall-of-text was very Town, but his other posts are terrible and non-contributing. But he was only making efforts to defend yourself and not progress the game, that's why I'm wary of the possibility that he was just really good at faking it.

[nopointinactingup]

Looking back at the Plus wagon, I'm pretty sure that it had major scum influence, probably at least two scums on it ie Derp/Hopkirk, Derp/Nora, Johnny/Nora scenarios

[Trendall]

So if Hopkirk is a real doctor enabler then it's weird because why didn't they bring this up yesterday, like if you know you're a doctor enabler then it seems unlikely there'd be one of these just for one doctor.

But then if they were mafia it seems pointless to fake claim that just to protect derp, like surely just let them get eliminated? So I think Hopkirk and derp are probably both real.

UNVOTE:

[derp]

On the other hand of course, Derp could just be scum who fakeclaimed to get the doc voted off despite the move being low benefit for scum. The good thing is that essentially Derp can keep me alive until mafia kill him, so mafia do have to shoot him eventually if they want to ever kill me/Derp since otherwise they're in major trouble as the game progresses.

derp believes this is dangerous thinking since scum could have strongman and/or roleblock in which case this could be a way to set up a misyeet on poor derp if derp is not yeeted today, which is also why derp is not going to fight all of this too much. derp thinks that it might be best that people either accept that derp is most likely a doc or they yeet poor innocent derp

anyway main reason derp believes ur claim is actually mainly because of ur reaction to the counterclaim, after the additionalenjoyment flipped doctor derp did think it was a bit odd how u and noraa reacted to derps counterclaim as to derp it seemed to imply u had some knowledge that derp did not, with ur claim it makes sense but derp would like to do this for now

VOTE: noraa

dear derp feels ur initial defense of plus+plus came from a perspective that u thought it was weird for me to be counterclaiming which does not make sense as town so derp think we need to hear more from this sketchy slot even if we plan to yeet derp today