Open 88 - Polygamist Mafia (Game Over) before 650

[armlx]

Fine, can we all agree to not hammer until the chart is done then?

[Adel]

Fine, can we all agree to not hammer until the chart is done then?

give me two unvotes and five calander days, and I will do one.

[Xtoxm]

Vote Count

StrangerCoug (0)
Farside22 (0)
Citizen Karne (0)
Empking (1) Farside22
Goatrevolt (0)
Jahudo (0)
OpposedForce (0)
armlx (2) Adel, StrangerCoug
Caboose (1) Goatrevolt
Mana_Ku (0)
kloud1516 (1) Mana_Ku
Adel (6) armlx, Citizen Karne, Caboose, OpposedForce, Kloud1516, Empking

Not Voting (1) Jahudo

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

[farside22]

Fine, can we all agree to not hammer until the chart is done then?

give me two unvotes and five calander days, and I will do one.

I'm not voting for you and if Caboose was around I will tell him to unvote you.

Mod: Caboose prod please.

[armlx]

Unvote

I'm going to revote once the info is provided, but I definitely endorse this kind of action.

[Adel]

what would you say is the last vote of the random voting stage? I always drop all of the random votes unless they are not unvoted at some point during the day.

[armlx]

I believe random ended when I voted Jebus.

[Xtoxm]

As it's been requested in thread, Caboose prodded.

[kloud1516]

unvote

My lover said it best; the chart could prove to be a benefit, even though I didn't have a clue as to what was going on when I looked at the ones you have made before.

[Adel]

ok, I'm on it then.

[Adel]

raw data: please help spot mistakes

Votecount at post 76:
Zoolander (2) kloud1516, Jahudo
Farside22 (0)
The Pope's Tiara (1) armlx
LlamaFluff (0)
Goatrevolt (1) Caboose
Jahudo (1) Zoolander
OpposedForce (0)
armlx (1) Farside22
Caboose (2) OpposedForce, Goatrevolt
3fj (1) The Pope's Tiara
kloud1516 (2) Jebus, 3fj
Jebus (1) LlamaFluff
(all of these votes that are not unvoted will be dropped from the dataset)

85 – armlx votes Jebus
95 – farside22 votes LlamaFluff
112 - kloud1516 unvotes (does not say who)
116 - OpposedForce unvotes (says caboose)
118 – LlamaFluff votes OpposedForce
126 – OpposedForce votes LlamaFluff
135 – Jahudo votes 3fj
165 – Caboose unvotes (says Goatrevolt)
171 - Citizen Karne votes Adel
174 – Caboose votes Adel
187 – Opposedforce votes Adel
190 – Adel votes armlx
192 – kloud1516 votes Adel
193 – Jahudo unvotes 3fj
208 – StrangerCoug unvotes
209 – StrangerCoug votes Adel
210 – StrangerCoug votes armlx
228 – Empking unvotes
239 – Empking votes Adel
279 – armlx unvotes
283 – kloud1516 unvotes

should I also include fos's?

[Adel]

lover pairs with replacements:

StrangerCoug

Zoolander

|

Citizen Karne

The Pope's Tiara

Farside22

|

Caboose

Empking

LlamaFluff

|

Goatrevolt

OpposedForce

|

Jahudo

armlx

|

kloud1516

Mana_Ku

3fj

|

Adel

Jebus

[StrangerCoug]

should I also include fos's?

I have no objection to it.

[Adel]

At home I use a mac, at work I have to use microsoft's crappy software, so I apologise for how crude this is.

lines show votes, the numbers are the vote numbers. Unvotes are shown as numbered boxes that are not connected to players. votes labeled with the number 75 are votes that remain from the mods votecount at 75 which I used as the end of the random stage.

Feel free to ask any questions about the chart, it is not as clean as I prefer, but I hate using microsoft word to do these.

[Adel]

armlx, Citizen Karne, Caboose, OpposedForce and Kloud1516 were all on my wagon when Empyking placed me at lynch -1 with post 239. The next vote action after me getting placed at lynch -1 was armix's unvote at post 279, which was 36 hours later. Which one of those is supposed to be my scumbuddy?

[StrangerCoug]

armlx, Citizen Karne, Caboose, OpposedForce and Kloud1516 were all on my wagon when Empyking placed me at lynch -1 with post 239. The next vote action after me getting placed at lynch -1 was armix's unvote at post 279, which was 36 hours later. Which one of those is supposed to be my scumbuddy?

My gut doesn't like this question, but my logic is processing it as rhetorical. It is of note, however.

[Adel]

armlx, Citizen Karne, Caboose, OpposedForce and Kloud1516 were all on my wagon when Empyking placed me at lynch -1 with post 239. The next vote action after me getting placed at lynch -1 was armix's unvote at post 279, which was 36 hours later. Which one of those is supposed to be my scumbuddy?

My gut doesn't like this question, but my logic is processing it as rhetorical. It is of note, however.

If I were scum would a scumbuddy of mine really leave a vote on me while I was at lynch -1?

It is not rhetorical: I would like the courtesy of an answer, especially from those that are still voting for me as well as from armlx since he promised to revote me once I provided the requested information.

[StrangerCoug]

If I were scum would a scumbuddy of mine really leave a vote on me while I was at lynch -1?

Oh, that's right. Bussing is suicide in this game.

[Adel]

oh shit, look at votes 238 and 239.

I find it odd that Adel would post her comments made and what the 2 people said (which what they said is incredibly scummy) but the fact she left those scummy comments in there where she could have made the whole thing up seems like WIFOM.

I think Adel's expectation was that we would see their suggestions and brush them off as newbies and give them a free pass. I don't see why summarizing some of a night conversation really means anything one way or another.

Anyway, I still need to reread the last few pages. My current top suspect is Adel, and the majority of my suspicion is based on the way she defended herself by strawmanning the nature of the attacks against her, and thus trying to make those attacks appear weaker than they are. I'll just stick with a

FoS Adel

for now until I look at a vote count.

two hours later:

Mana_ku: I really don't like the, I'll give you my link. It screams "look at me I'm pro-town" without actualoly being pro-town. Anoyingly, it'd be a waste to vote man_ku because if I want her lynch I should vote for Adel.

Adel: Adel hasn't really done anything scummy. Its Jebus with her plan of "random vote excluding me or my partner". And that's in my opinion crazy scummy. The chat log has confused me but it definately hasn't cleared him.

Strangercoug:m In both forms hasn't really done much. Couldn't call it lurking either.

Citizen Karne: In the case of Adel being town he'll look scummy (and I'll give him another lookover) but with the information that we have I think he's a tunnle vision town.

Armix: If Adel does turn up town we might need to look back on him. As I've got the page where he mentioned popcorning open, I think I should mention that. He seems a tad tunnle visioned but he looks pro-town to me.

Kloud: Its weird to think he's Armix's partner. I really don't like the way he unvoted when Adel came. This might be a player just trying to attack the newbies. Apart from that his posts seem good contents wise.

Opposedforce: His early posts seem to be just making mistakes or apolagising for mistakes. Despite that I don't think he's scum. He also proposed mass claim.

Jah: I really don't know what to say about him. When I was reading the latter pages I had forgotten about him. I don't think he's scum and he seems pro-town to me. After my own, I think this is the most pro-town pair.

Caboose: He (apart from in his chat anylisis) doesn't seem to have a mind of his own. Going as far as saying he'll just go with tyhe majority.

Farside: I feel like he's focused on Armix. I don't even think he's given anything to support his suspicions.

Vote: Adel

six hours later (meanwhile Empking made 8 other posts in other games)

That's L-1.

unvote, vote:Empking

[Adel]

EBWOP: (meanwhile Empking made 8 other posts

in other games

on this site

)

[Jahudo]

If I were scum would a scumbuddy of mine really leave a vote on me while I was at lynch -1?

Which is similar to what Mana was getting at with 1 of each pair being on this wagon. Empking is an unlikely scumpair because that's a risky point to try and distance yourself from the other scum and still hope they aren't killed. But Empking as eager scum looks more reasonable if Adel/Mana are town.

I don't know what the diagram is saying, but armix and kloud look like the pair that is of one mind so far while other pairs have gone off at different pairs or one same and one different pair. I could see any as a pre-game plan, though.

As for others on this wagon: I see Caboose's original argument and recent lack of activity as lacking in confidence, so there could be an exit strategy day 2. And Citizen Karne may know why he voted but the way he did looked indirect, focusing more on the actual bandwagon and not the argument so he might not own it if Adel ends up town. And OpposedForce has been inactive lately so I won't guess what my partner thinks.

To be honest, I think armix and kloud look the most pro-town to me if Adel/Mana are town. They may be responsible for the wagon, but not all the momentum it gained.

[Adel]

So who could possibly be scum with us?

[Empking]

First

I find Armix responsible but I do agree with him.

Then

He seems a tad tunnle visioned but he looks pro-town to me.

And now

I don't remember saying that tunnlevision is good.

Are you saying that armix is pro-town, and armix is tunnel visioned, but tunnel vision isn’t pro-town? Doesn’t that undermine your agreement for the case you think armix is responsible for?

Also, since armix says he's more about Mana and Adel's case, how do you agree with him by saying Jebus is scummy but Adel isn't?

I'm saying that you can be a tad tunnle visioned and still be pro-town.

Adel: I don't see your point.

[Empking]

You didn't say definitly, but from the looks of post 239 it looks like you do.
What do you mean with the one terrible post?
You didn't say tunnle vision is good, but a mod/IC who tunnle visions, while every mod/IC say in the newbie games say that tunnle vision is bad. Does that seems pro-town to you?
Besides you still haven't given explanation to each point of my previous post.

I mean one terrible post.

Its doesn't show anti-town.

Which points didn't I do.

[Mana_Ku]

@ Empking to which question are you refering? I've asked everyone to answer this question: If Adel and I are scum then who are our partners?
But again I'm ignored by most.

To you I've more questions. One was in that post (241).

Empking, a summary of every character is helpful, however I would like to hear what you thought of certain events. Espescially Llama's and OF's discussion. The one you replaced was in it and you just read it. Can you tell me what you thought about this discussion?

Are you saying that I'm scummy, because of the link?

Besides how do you know that I'm not pro-town? If you can conclude that from one quote, I want you in the games I'm playing more often. The ability to see who isn't protown from one quote. Quite impressive (rolling eyes).

Also regarding post 239, explain what you meant with the points of armlx and Kloud.

Tell me what you mean with the first sentence of the armlx case

, why you wanted to mention the popcorning. Also have you ever heard from an IC or mod that tunnle vision is good? (a tad, you say? Look at all his posts)

From the Kloud point, I'd like to hear what you mean with the first sentence.

And you haven't even given any reasons why Jebus and I (except for the link) are scummy. Aren't you doing the same as Caboose?

Next would be again the discussion from Llama and OF. You think that OF and Jah are the most pro-town pair after your own. Then what do you think Llama's reasons were to begin a discussion with OF?

CK I was just shocked when I was looking for something. What did you mean with post 188!!!.

For now, I'm done as I need to do some research into this game. I hope I can see some answers

All the bold, you haven't explained or answered yet.

Next point, would be that you DO the same as Caboose. I believe that's what Adel wanted to say with his quotes used at post 293, but I believe he will tell you that himself.

In your player summary, you've only stated scummy at Adel en me. Who do you seems as scummiest after us? Besides you haven't answered 'If Adel and I are scum then who are our partners?'. There are more ppl who haven't done, however I'm really interested in what you have to say.

Also what I don't like is when ppl answer not straight forward. What I mean is: When someone asks you 'Do you like pie?' and you answer with 'I don't hate it.'. This is what you're doing at post 298. I asked you a question. Your answer to this question was: It doesn't show anti-town. But this wasn't the question. The question was: You didn't say tunnle vision is good, but a mod/IC who tunnle visions, while every mod/IC say in the newbie games say that tunnle vision is bad. Does that seems pro-town to you? Give this time an answer to this question.
(armlx, you don't have to give any comments about this question. I just want to hear his answer. It has now nothing to do with you)

And armlx, at post 273 you say something about a comment. Can we hear it now or does it still have to wait?

And SC, you had some comment about Adel's post (289). Now that you've seen why we were asking this question, can you give an answer to it?

Almost forgot to ask this. Empking to which post are you referring with the 'one terrible post?'