**Note: I’m just going in the order I see the posts. I don’t feel like organizing it to each person.
Elias wrote:
##unvote
this wagon went way to fast for my liking, and lowell hasnt even got around to answering my initial questions. Lets just slow it down a bit, and look more carefully at everyone voting lowell.
Why are you so concerned with how fast the people on the Lowell wagon are voting. If I remember correctly, and I’m pretty sure I do, the votes on my head added up pretty quickly too.
Ythill wrote:Rash wrote:...by-and-large I agree that one of wolf/Lowell is scum.
Furthermore, I think only one of the pair is scum...
I don't like this line of thinking. Though I agree that it's unlikely both are scum, you've failed to consider that they could both be town. And if they are, what I've quoted above would be a smooth move from the real mafia.
Nothing to hang you over, but certainly worth noting.
I'm still more comfortable with wolf than Lowell but I'd rather have more than two choices before we lynch.
I agree with this statement. But in post 151 Rash goes on to say:
Rash wrote: Just because I didn't mention it, it doesn't mean that I didn't consider it. Looking the other way and rewarding their bad play by overly casting doubt on legitimate suspicions is not what I'm about. Sorry if it seems harsh, but I was serious when I asked for a claim.
IMO, the statement didn’t seem that harsh. Like Ythill said, it could’ve been a very smooth move played by some very experienced scum. Though I must admit, Rash hasn’t given me much more to suspect that he is scum.
Bionicchop2 wrote: My vote is staying on cry though (for now). She admitted her vote was OMGUS and says she is comfortable with it.
Lowell’s vote on my was a OMGUS vote too, so why are you more comfy on me, than on him?
Rashiminos wrote:Judging from the volume of games Lowell has played/replaced in and a sample of posts I'd say his somewhat erratic posting style is not really indicative of alignment here.
No, it doesn’t. But it also doesn’t mean that he has to go out of his way to be vindictive and uncooperative.
Fhqwhgads wrote: I'd much rather hear what crywolf's reasons are for any of her actions, as seeing we have only been getting vague reasons and even an OMGUS as reasoning so far.
At least I have given some reasons. Lowell has yet to give much in the way of opinions.
Ythill wrote:As promised...
Those voting for Lowell
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Tony: I don’t like the way he agrees with user about wolf’s actions, but somehow translates that to a point against Lowell. His vote is pure OMGUS. Later (in #92) he backs this up with a post that is such a defense-attack combo that it’s hard to tell what he’s getting at. I think this is the scummiest vote on Lowell.
Tommy: I think his vote is solid, though my experience with Lowell is that the tells mentioned by Tommy are unreliable. No suspicion of Tommy here, I just don’t agree with him.
Darox: Like all of his vote changes, the reasons for this one are vague. I don’t like baseless assertions, but there are scummier votes on this wagon.
Rash: I already talked about how I didn’t like the eeny-meeny approach to this vote, but I can follow the reasoning and it seems to me like Rash is honestly trying to determine Lowell’s alignment in later posts.
wolf: Pure OMGUS, and confirmed as comfortable @ L-2. A vague statement about aggression is her only other reasoning. This vote is a close second for scummiest on the wagon.
Elias (who has unvoted): This vote came with a solid case that was the strongest of several stated suspicions. It was accompanied by reasonable follow-up and removed when appropriate. No problems with this vote at all.
Those voting for wolf
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user: The reasoning is a little empty, considering wolf’s play, but it makes sense. He’s followed it up with a little bit of nitpicking. This vote is not a town-tell but it seems honest enough to me.
bionic: I particularly like his initial pressure vote because it was based on a trend that was concerning to me as well. He made some valid points in his follow-up case. I like the way user keeps an eye on the big picture and my read on him is starting to lean town, which is based on things separate from his vote but generally helps me to view that vote as more valid.
Ythill: Obvtown. All of his votes are jedi-ninja cool.
Lowell (who has unvoted): This vote is a Lowell-tell. I don't like it, or agree with it. If I'd not played with Lowell before, I'd even find it suspicious. But I have played with Lowell before. Those who haven't should seriously take the time to meta him.
Discuss.
I’m not sure I like you self analysis on why you are voting me, it might be helpful to list your reasons again just to make sure they are consistent.
And I have taken the time to meta Lowell and I understand this is a similar pattern of Lowell’s.
##unvote
There’s nothing I can do about his erratic play style, and my vote had no other basis other than it was an OMGUS vote.
I dunno what to say to Tony’s 167. I don’t like his attitude in it, though I do agree that we shouldn’t just stop looking at Lowell just because his play style is erratic, like always, I don’t like how Tony assumes everyone is just gonna stop looking at him. If anything, it makes me not like how Tony is acting at the current moment.
Yuck. Long post. I’m gonna pick up from Ythill’s post, 170 tomorrow, and finish up the thread then.
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Rash wrote: @crywolf 193 you should probably ask for a replacement if you haven't already (provided your condition precludes access to the thread)
Get well soon.
The surgery won't be till january. just lots of doctor appts ontop of college ontop of a job. Luckily, I only am in one game other wise i'd be having a hard time keeping up.
Thank you for the concern though.
