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Post Post #3000 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:06 pm

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In post 2648, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2644, innocentvillager wrote:if guillotina tracked nero, who is confirmed pure VT, in a normal, there is NO WAY that they could've gotten a result that was "Nero visited X"

just want to make sure im understanding this

so the redcheck was, completely faked as well, whether nero was checked or not
We were witnesses to the absolute worst play in all of mafia history.

An actual, really powerful town role faking a tracking result on a vanilla townie.

I've seen everything now.
This was a thing that happened? Holy shit.
In post 2708, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think we should vote DGB, IV, glitch, or muh out today
Why?
In post 2844, Vaxkiller wrote:Catch up? I'm just going to play. When I start seeing shit ill do some diving.
Same. I tried and I just can't. So here I am. We playing from this Day Start.
In post 2845, Vaxkiller wrote:I read thru the mod iso, didnt starbuck sub in a while ago?
Not too long before you. On the overnight before this day started.
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Post Post #3001 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:20 pm

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Unwnd, you feel different from Weakest Link. Why?
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Post Post #3002 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:21 pm

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Well starbuck it's because I hate being scum
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Post Post #3003 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:44 pm

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If anyone wants to help me

Right now my established town meta on Gamma is that he is very opinionated towards his pushes, often using a lot of 'fuck' and CAPS in order to drive the point home of dislike, but other than that he remains pretty obstinate and never a factor in the thread

Does this seem wrong?
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Post Post #3004 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:46 pm

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Why do you hate being scum? I love being scum.
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Post Post #3005 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:50 pm

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I find it really difficult and end up overthinking my own town habits to an exaggerated effect, which then just makes me wish I was town
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Post Post #3006 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:57 pm

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Yeah but isn't learning to play both sides part of the challenge of the game?
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Post Post #3007 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:57 pm

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In post 3003, unwnd wrote:If anyone wants to help me

Right now my established town meta on Gamma is that he is very opinionated towards his pushes, often using a lot of 'fuck' and CAPS in order to drive the point home of dislike, but other than that he remains pretty obstinate and never a factor in the thread

Does this seem wrong?
Yes it does.

Meta is rubbish and boring.
Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.

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Post Post #3008 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:01 pm

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Nah, if you read Weakest Link as Starbuck referred to, a lot of that was just me literally not reading the thread and just posting useless conjecture that I never substantiated upon

I have actual conviction here
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Post Post #3009 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:02 pm

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In post 3007, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3003, unwnd wrote:If anyone wants to help me

Right now my established town meta on Gamma is that he is very opinionated towards his pushes, often using a lot of 'fuck' and CAPS in order to drive the point home of dislike, but other than that he remains pretty obstinate and never a factor in the thread

Does this seem wrong?
Yes it does.

Meta is rubbish and boring.
Gamma doesn't seem like a flexible player in that sense, so with him his meta is more potent
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Post Post #3010 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:03 pm

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I am not reading other games. All the answers we need for this game, are in this game.
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Post Post #3011 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:35 pm

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In post 2978, Vaxkiller wrote:@gamma

I just realized you are voting me. Was this leftover?
In post 2979, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2758, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: non lmh
Tbh I don’t even know if I’d be good with a replacement here because I reviewed the 4 posts and they actually kinda sucked
Also it’s not Imh, it’s Lmh

Found it.

Gamma, unvote and revote with an explanation.
Bruh what is this even
I wasn’t convinced by anything you’d posted that you weren’t scum. Tbh I’m still not but you’re active so
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Post Post #3012 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:39 pm

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In post 3000, Starbuck wrote:
In post 2708, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think we should vote DGB, IV, glitch, or muh out today
Why?
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Post Post #3013 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:40 pm

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In post 3003, unwnd wrote:If anyone wants to help me

Right now my established town meta on Gamma is that he is very opinionated towards his pushes, often using a lot of 'fuck' and CAPS in order to drive the point home of dislike, but other than that he remains pretty obstinate and never a factor in the thread

Does this seem wrong?
Wdym never a factor
Honestly I’m pretty pissed off you think I’m not doing that much here, I get you replaced in but I was pretty involved D1
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Post Post #3014 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:42 pm

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And the rage is not alignment exclusive but it exhibits differently as scum vs. as town. Read Mystery Box of Silver 10’s D1 for ragey scum!gamma
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Post Post #3015 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:02 am

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In post 2999, Glitch wrote:VOTE: unwnd
I'll come back tomorrow after work with a case instead of just a short blurb. Its me and my wife's anniversary today and I want to spend time with her.
looking forward to it! happy anniversary
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Post Post #3016 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:56 am

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In post 3009, unwnd wrote:
In post 3007, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3003, unwnd wrote:If anyone wants to help me

Right now my established town meta on Gamma is that he is very opinionated towards his pushes, often using a lot of 'fuck' and CAPS in order to drive the point home of dislike, but other than that he remains pretty obstinate and never a factor in the thread

Does this seem wrong?
Yes it does.

Meta is rubbish and boring.
Gamma doesn't seem like a flexible player in that sense, so with him his meta is more potent
wait so is gamma town to you based on this? i think, emotional scumrange suggests gamma town for me
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Post Post #3017 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:58 am

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Yeah that's currently where I lean right now, but from recent games I only have experience with him as town, so I wanted to see if anyone had differing experiences
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Post Post #3018 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:19 am

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Starbucks town, hey vote muh with us.
Vaxkiller is not anti-vaccine, he is a killer of Vax machines.

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Post Post #3019 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:19 am

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starbuck is town yeah i agree
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Post Post #3020 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:14 am

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Glitch. Your prob town too. Congrats on anniversary.

You need to vote muh.
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Post Post #3021 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:38 am

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Tell me about muh.
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Post Post #3022 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:39 am

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In post 3008, unwnd wrote:Nah, if you read Weakest Link as Starbuck referred to, a lot of that was just me literally not reading the thread and just posting useless conjecture that I never substantiated upon

I have actual conviction here
I found you very frustrating in Weakest Link and less so here. Maybe this is why.
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Post Post #3023 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:15 am

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Here you go starbuck.

From there, start isoing ABR and looking into gamma. Id like to solve gamma.
In post 2775, Umlaut wrote:
In Which Umlaut Finally Efforts And Tries to Make a Real Case on Someone


So the intersection of the Day 1 and Day 2 elimination wagons was {
Nero Cain
, muh316, Gamma Emerald, Umlaut, Albert B. Rampage}. These were both pretty 'safe' wagons, and if I were scum I would likely be on one or both of them (which in fact I was, but... I'm not scum) just because they stood out as so guilty-looking that I'd be afraid it was more suspicious
not
to vote them. As such I think there's a pretty good chance of finding scum in this pool.

FMPOV this means looking at {muh316, Gamma Emerald, Albert B. Rampage}. Of these I'm most interested in muh, because he's been on my "maybe this guy is scum?" radar from the beginning and I think I've overlooked him in favor of more interesting targets. (Also he doesn't have six zillion posts so I can ISO him without going crazy)

Spoiler: A whole lot of quoted muh posts with commentary
In post 30, muh316 wrote:VOTE: Guillotina

Looks like a new player pretending to be experienced
This post just didn't make any sense to me at the time and still doesn't;
even if this is true, why is it a reason to vote someone?

In post 164, muh316 wrote:
In post 122, Nero Cain wrote:Nero 3:16 says I just eliminated your ass!


VOTE: muh316
VOTE: Nero I thought we were out of RVS
Explicitly OMGUS, which is not terrible in itself but seems to be replacing a somewhat serious vote on Guil.
In post 185, muh316 wrote:
In post 179, innocentvillager wrote:muh, comments on guillotina? Seems like you were sussing them earlier
I was suspicious of him because his behavior seems very scripted to me. But the claim seems believable enough that there's no reason to further pursue.
I really dislike this turnaround. Guil had already made the claim when muh voted him in the first place, but crucially at that time IV was kind of grilling Guil about it and others were giving the claim some sideeye as well. By the time IV posted it was clear he
wasn't
really suspicious of Guil and no one else really was either, and suddenly muh has bigger fish to fry and "there's no reason to further pursue"? Seems like he thought Guil was an easy push and then redirected when it turned out he had misread the room.

Moreover this scans more as muh narrating his read progression than talking about Guillotina, which was what he was invited to do and should be more interested in doing.
In post 213, muh316 wrote:
In post 187, Nero Cain wrote:so basically you are admitting to what I am accusing you of-not paying attention to the game.
The way I read a game is I skim over the unread posts and first respond to things related directly to me. Then I try to re-read later on when my brain is ready to process the other things going on.
In post 228, muh316 wrote:
In post 218, Guillotina wrote:I'm super dramatic and I got a big ass ego. How is that alignment indicative?
Given it's D1, we need something to get the game going which is why I pushed you a bit on it.
Both more self-explanation.
In post 229, muh316 wrote:
In post 223, Tayl0r Swift wrote:even when muh is active in the thread i still dont realize muh is posting. maybe the avatar makes the posts invisible (speaking of gamma i miss the old one).
VOTE: muh
What amazing contributions have you given to the game?
Tu quoque

In post 242, muh316 wrote:
In post 239, Guillotina wrote:
In post 228, muh316 wrote:
[snip]
Pushing for something that is NAI is how you usually get the game going? Or just in this game?
I play with multiple year long breaks so I can't really speak on my meta. But coupled with the role claim and the flavor text, you seemed like a good target to generate conversation.
This is completely dodging the point of whether muh believes Guil's content was NAI or not. Even "yes, it's NAI, that's why I moved on" would at least be addressing the point, but muh seems to not want to be pinned down to that interpretation.
In post 396, muh316 wrote:
In post 378, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 376, muh316 wrote:Except nobody's forgot about me and I'm the top wagon at the moment.
why is it exactly that you are still doing nothing in this game?
There's nothing for me to do yet
In post 776, muh316 wrote:
In post 718, NorwegianboyEE wrote:ABR please. There had been a lot of content up to that point. Saying there's nothing to do is just an excuse both town or scum make because they are lazy.
There's literally nothing notable except my wagon and Guillotinas flavor text. There's the glitch wagon but Glitch hasn't posted since that wagon formed on him.
In post 779, muh316 wrote:Also, if there was something notable going on we would have had a lot more than a wagon on me and glitch. The past few pages all seem like fluff to me.
Excuses for not contributing. Town can be uninterested too so this is a weak point but it's not nothing.
In post 807, muh316 wrote:
In post 805, Non lmh wrote:not for alignment, read order
am biased in favor of activity tho
guil is town for me, iv too
By that criteria you're most likely to be scum then
This post doesn't seem like much, but I'm looking at it now and it screams scum to me. "By your reasoning, you're scum!" is just the sort of
gotcha
remark that no one actually posts as part of a good faith scumhunting effort but only because they want to make a show of engaging people's arguments.
In post 809, muh316 wrote:
In post 801, Gamma Emerald wrote:If you think we’re wrong to push you, why do you think it’s happening?
I don't think it's wrong to push me. Go for it. I just know there's scum on the wagon since my playstyle makes me a great candidate for LHF.
Town think (know!) it's wrong to push them, because they're town.
In post 1203, muh316 wrote:Lol I thought y'all had killed me without asking for a claim. Glad to be alive.

VOTE: Pretentious
This was the seventh vote onto Pretentious, after his fake-quickhammer of muh. That's... a fairly sound reason for a vote, of course. But it's impossible to get a sense of what muh really thought of Pretentious since he didn't say a single word about him for the rest of the day:
In post 1716, muh316 wrote:How tf do we have 20 pages in a span of a few hours. Anybody got a tl;dr?
In post 1739, muh316 wrote:So turns out Guillotina is not the only annoying player in the game. I skimmed a couple of pages, looks like a bunch of shitposting to me.
In post 1742, muh316 wrote:
In post 1741, Guillotina wrote:
In post 1739, muh316 wrote:So turns out Guillotina is not the only annoying player in the game. I skimmed a couple of pages, looks like a bunch of shitposting to me.
LOL the irony in this post
At least I don't try to come off as the God of Mafia.
I have to agree with Guil about the irony.


In post 2519, muh316 wrote:VOTE: Guillotina

Not buying the claim.
This is literally muh's entire ISO for Day 2. He didn't buy the claim. Fair enough, the claim was false so not buying it is correct. But he had nothing to say about it until I had already debunked the claim and a wagon had started forming on Guil as a result.


In post 2705, muh316 wrote:VOTE: Non lmh
This slot has been avoiding the conversation for a long time and has managed to dodge replacement.
And this is muh's vote today. Others have already pointed out Non lmh is an easy target. I don't think that in itself makes muh scum (I have made something of a habit of saying "maybe the easy target is an easy target because they're just scum!") but it sure doesn't make him town either.
In post 2712, muh316 wrote:
In post 2710, May wrote:don't know about that muh guy but i have a person pushing someone who is dead null after 109 pages
i will vote for that person
VOTE: muh
So one inactive person defending another inactive person. Nice.
And this is muh's response to being criticized/voted for the easy lurker push. Which is just dismissal and not engagement (and incidentally is a missed opportunity to drag inactive-May into the game by asking if she actually thinks Non's play is acceptable or what?).


Tl;dr: Muh's day 1 play was terrible and scummy, and his day 2 and 3 play have been nonexistent. We should go back to this.

VOTE: muh316
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