Open 88 - Polygamist Mafia (Game Over) before 650

[Adel]

@Jahudo: why aren't you voting for anyone?

[Xtoxm]

Vote Count

StrangerCoug (0)
Farside22 (0)
Citizen Karne (0)
Empking (3) Farside22, Adel, StrangerCoug
Goatrevolt (0)
Jahudo (0)
OpposedForce (0)
armlx (0)
Caboose (1) Goatrevolt
Mana_Ku (0)
kloud1516 (1) Mana_Ku
Adel (4) Citizen Karne, Caboose, OpposedForce, Empking

Not Voting (3) Jahudo, armlx, Kloud

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

[Jahudo]

@Jahudo: why aren't you voting for anyone?

It's because I'm having trouble being confidant that one person is scum while the partner looks more town, or at least less scum. Since I think you are town being mislynched it's too easy for me to see the voter's intentions but not that of the partner who isn't voting.

1) I don't like how Empking is jumping on this wagon because of Jebus and now he's indirectly approaching these new topics, but maybe that's because I have a hard time following his answers without any reference to the questions. Goat at least is finding reasons to FoS Adel but also acknowledges this could be a mislynch. But the FoS could have easily elevated to a vote and hammer.

2) I don't like how Caboose joined the wagon based the pre-game chat and the burden of proof on what Jebus was thinking. Others have agreed that he looked to be following the group, but how strong a tell is that when he hasn't said anything since his vote? Farside hasn't had many posts of substance lately and has been hard for me to read. She really didn't pursue the Adel/Jebus investigation, hardly mentioned it in fact. An unlikely hammer but a possible distance if it did go to mislynch.

3) I don't like how Karne didn't state his reasons for voting and looked eager to give more momentum to the wagon, but I want to be careful if it's something other than an obvious sign of skulduggery. Meanwhile StrangerCoug has looked pro-town recently. By voting armix after Adel it would appear that a quick hammer was not an option unless other things changed.

Too much speculating, but I am confidant that one if not two of the groups are scum.

[armlx]

And armlx, at post 273 you say something about a comment. Can we hear it now or does it still have to wait?

I think Emp responded, but I wanted to say that not pro-town != scummy always.

Jahudo has been waffling on Adel/Jebus all game. Me no like. Supports the Caboose + Adel team theory.

Vote Adel

as I said post diagram.

[Adel]

keep in mind that hammering isn't necessary for a mislynch. Deadline rules kill just as effectively as a hammer does.

I am more suspicious of E.King/Goat and Farside/Caboose than I am of Karne/StrangerCoug right now.

[Adel]

And armlx, at post 273 you say something about a comment. Can we hear it now or does it still have to wait?

I think Emp responded, but I wanted to say that not pro-town != scummy always.

Jahudo has been waffling on Adel/Jebus all game. Me no like. Supports the Caboose + Adel team theory.

Vote Adel

as I said post diagram.

Do you think that Caboose and Jahudo are lovers?

[armlx]

Do you think that Caboose and Jahudo are lovers?

I'm really confused here. I thought they were for some reason.

That said I could see OF + Jahudo.

[Adel]

Apologies. Been busy over the past week. Picking up prod.

paraphrased quicktopic thread:

xtox opens thread

Jebus: We should random lynch someone since we only have to kill one scum to win and there is no night phase. Day 1 our chances are 2/5, and day 2 wit will be 3/5, so overal it will be 50/50. I will introduce the idea. We should roleclaim early.
3jf: early roleclaim will just make us a target. We should random lynch though.
3jf:

Also we should vote for somebody different every two days to avoid suspicion.

Day 1 you should fos, and then I'll vote for them.
Day 2 we both pick separate people scummy people

Jebus: It is a plan then. I'll go after kloud

xtoxm closes thread

Wow. I was inclined not to vote Jebus but this is just to off the chart for me.

Vote:Adel

At the beggining of the game I didn't really put a vote on (him/her?) because I thought it was a town slip but now after seeing this paraphrase I can't comprehend what kind of a mess that intention would of gotten us into. Note the first part bolded when 3jf suggests to vote for someone different to avoid suspicion. It wouldn't be for the town's well being to push a random lynch on different people and have the chance of mislynching to save yourself of suspicion. I see scum trying to mislynch and at the same time avoid any suspicion.

The second bolded part is ridiculous and scummy. I can only see scum trying to aim for a townie to lynch with the whole diversion of randomly lynching to get them to victory. If they were town thinking the idea of randomly lynching then why choose a specific person? (in this case Kloud) Why not go along with town consensus to choose a random lynch instead of trying to aim for a person. It seems to me like scum choosing a townie then wanting to lynch them Day 1 to safely get them to Day 2.

so you think this is the post of a player playing with fire by voting for a scum-mate whose lynch would end the game with a scum loss?

[armlx]

Its possible. I'm really at a loss here: I find your + your predecessors actions incredibly scummy, I just am having issues fitting that in with the set up. Currently the former is over riding the later.

[Adel]

here is the vital part: the town only gets to lynch wrong once.

The typically lazy day 1 where some random newbie gets lynched for being an idiot gives scum a big advantage.

As a replacement I walked into a mess. After being asked to post the contents of the quicktopic thread I figured that honesty was the only way to go. Now that I have collected at least one vote from each other couple, any theory that has me as scum has to explain which proposed scum-mate of mine voted for me, and left that vote there as the votes piled up and with the deadline approaching.

[Jahudo]

Jahudo has been waffling on Adel/Jebus all game. Me no like. Supports the Caboose + Adel team theory.

What do you mean by waffling? That I don't support the Adel/Jebus wagon but have not found a different place for my vote? I don't think that means I could justifiably put my vote on Adel/Jebus without something new happening with Adel or Mana that I perceive as scummy. Yes, I'm not 100% sure on them, but I am much more confidant that this is a mis-lynch.

And what is this team theory? You mean Jahudo/Opposed Force + Adel/Mana as scum pairs? I understand how defending someone that others view as scummy looks scummy. But I think it's level-headed.

I think that being so confidant in a wagon while it causes tag-along voters like Caboose, and voters of every group including at least one scum pair should have given more caution.

[Citizen Karne]

Alright everyone, I have meta'd Empking. He posts like this in all of his games, regardless of alignment.

[StrangerCoug]

Alright everyone, I have meta'd Empking. He posts like this in all of his games, regardless of alignment.

Do you have evidence from completed games?

[Citizen Karne]

Alright everyone, I have meta'd Empking. He posts like this in all of his games, regardless of alignment.

Do you have evidence from completed games?

Here is one example: viewtopic.php?t=7505&postdays=0&postord ... &start=775

[StrangerCoug]

Alright everyone, I have meta'd Empking. He posts like this in all of his games, regardless of alignment.

Do you have evidence from completed games?

Here is one example: viewtopic.php?t=7505&postdays=0&postord ... &start=775

Looking at that game, I do see similar posts in there that he's made here, and he was town in the game you gave us. I'll go ahead and

unvote: EmpKing

and go back to a

vote: armlx

for the same reasons as last time, but I still have my doubts as to EmpKing right now.

[Adel]

unvote Empking, vote armlx

but I would rather wagon Empking

[Jahudo]

Looking at that game, I do see similar posts in there that he's made here

Could someone explain? I don't see what is similar and what exactly we are comparing.

[Adel]

mod: can you send out prods to those that need them?

[Xtoxm]

No one currently requires prodding.

I am looking for a replacement for OpposedForce, Caboose still has 24 hours to respond to his prod.

[armlx]

What do you mean by waffling? That I don't support the Adel/Jebus wagon but have not found a different place for my vote? I don't think that means I could justifiably put my vote on Adel/Jebus without something new happening with Adel or Mana that I perceive as scummy. Yes, I'm not 100% sure on them, but I am much more confidant that this is a mis-lynch.

You definitely were pressuring Jebus lightly early on after his posts.

I can vouch for the Empking doesn't really think much thing based on a different, ongoing game.

[Xtoxm]

Caboose has not picked up his prod, I shall start looking for a replacement for him.

If the game doesn't fill up quickly, I will be open to extending the deadline.

[farside22]

unvote Empking, vote armlx

but I would rather wagon Empking

I thought you were going to do a chart. Did you change your mind?

[Jahudo]

I thought you were going to do a chart. Did you change your mind?

That was post 288 I think.

[armlx]

Yeah, it was posted a couple pages ago.

[farside22]

Sorry about that. I need a read. Not feeling to good at the moment however.