Newbie 655: Zeroville. (Game Over!)

[WhereIsTony]

I would like to hear from sdk and yuu before voting

[Yuu]

Oh, wait.
Yeah, that's a pretty decent reason why Jon overreacted.

If Jon is scum, why would he point Populartajo as guilty? You claim doctor, but you (and Michel) were on the game for so little. How could we believe he guessed the doctor - a lucky strike, perhaps? And if you die and is revealed to be town, he's going to get it so hard the third day won't even last one hour before he is lynched. And honestly, mafia could try and get the doctor (or who they think he's) killed without resorting to drastic measures as sacrificing one of themselves in the second page of the second day. You'd believe they'd at least try a little before if they thought your death was so necesary.

I'm going to hold my vote for now - we still haven't enough to get who your buddy is, and I suppose the day shouldn't end before we at last got us some information.

Tony, don't hold back from posting you opinion. You don't need to vote as soon as you post, so let us hear about what you think.

[WhereIsTony]

I am seriously torn I am leaning toward jon being a cop, but I would HATE to cost us a doctor.

I listed the two scenario's to try to see which was better.

I think it is a bit of a stretch that Jon as scum picks the doctor.

I am 80 percent toward voting jon.

I would like to hear from SDK just to get an opinion. before the night gag is placed.

[Yuu]

I am seriously torn I am leaning toward jon being a cop, but I would HATE to cost us a doctor.

I listed the two scenario's to try to see which was better.

I think it is a bit of a stretch that Jon as scum picks the doctor.

I am 80 percent toward voting jon.

So wait. I don't understand well. You're leaning towards Jon being a cop, and thinks it's a bit of strech that Jon picked the doctor if he's scum (correct me if I'm wrong, my english failed me this time, but when you say it's a stretch, do you mean you think the possibility is remote?).

So why do you still wants to vote for Jon?

[JonMW]

I split my vote between M4yhem and popular cause I was trying to have it all - get tajo lynched, M4yhem still alive, and myself still not positive identified. Then, M4yhem gave the whole situation a shove and I decided to lay it all out on the line.

Besides, I figured something out. Populartajo could have easily counterclaimed cop - even give a perfect act, since he knows who's scum and who's townie. However, he might get a request to investigate his partner. However, if people believe that he's the doctor, he can pretend to protect someone very easily, while NKing otherwise unrelated townies with ease.
However, there's the problem that he himself would not be NKed.... might just try to justify that he doesn't necessarily have to be removed quickly from the game.
Hmm, no. That strategy would only be worth something in a longer game with more players - but this will be just about wrapped up tomorrow or the day after.

[WhereIsTony]

I typed that too quick I meant 80 percent to voting to lynch pop not jon.

I think the chance of jon being scum and happening to pick the doctor is below the chance of jon being the cop and picking scum.


my gut says jon is telling the truth but I screwed up with Tum so I am trying not to rush to judgement

[JonMW]

Yuu, that is pretty accurately what "a stretch" means in this case. Yay, learning!

I'd imagine that Tony is still not 100% sure of his vote because I've (to be entirely fair) acted pretty suspiciously throughout most of the game.

[WhereIsTony]

this suspense is killing me. I have typed in a vote 4 (for pop) 4 times now.

[JonMW]

I'm in the same boat... the game's finally going somewhere! This is a lot more fun.

[JonMW]

Tony, please tell me that you have a time limit where you'll just vote without SDK's input...

[populartajo]

Tony, please tell me that you have a time limit where you'll just vote without SDK's input...

Stop ignoring my questions, scum.

[JonMW]

OK, since you apparently can't lean the necessary information?

1. Too obvious. I hammer you, I might just come off as a naive (sp?) scum, or a cop. Remember, at that point I was trying for a perfect operation. It would be worth so much to find both scums through investigation. As you may have realised by this point, I've given up on that and settling for getting you removed.
2. I am, indeed, a newbie. I've previously mentioned that I played Cry Wolf, but I've quickly learned that what I picked up there is worth almost nothing and will get me killed.
3. People don't need to ask for me to volunteer information. That's how a townie works - providing information, because that's their only weapon. As I said before - Tony was #2, much too prominently scummy, far too high a chance of him being lynched today, to risk protecting him if innocent, or to not get all of the potential usefulness out of an investigation.
3.5. Townies need to avoid being lynched (and to an extent, NKed if they feel that they are better equipped to rat out the scum when compared to other townies). The way to do that is to predict what other townies, and scum, will think about their actions. If a townie allows themselves to be lynched, then they've wasted that day's lynch.
4. We've talked earlier about michel's masterful scum win in an earlier game. It's a cop play - I need to know if the ICs are townie or scum before anybody else.

[WhereIsTony]

Screw it.

Vote populartajo

[JonMW]

can't glean* the necessary information...

Oh well, who am I to refuse the "Docotor's" orders?

[Erg0]

Final Vote Count for Day 2

populartajo 4 (JonMW, M4yhem, afatchic, WhereIsTony)

JonMW 1 (populartajo

Not Voting 2 (Yuu, somedamnkid)

Yesterday's "practice lynch" (as it had become known) had prepared the residents of Zeroville well. It was barely past dawn when they reached their decision: four fingers were swiftly pointed at populartajo. "But I'm your doctor!" he cried in vain. Things went far more smoothly this time, with only two attempts required before the deed was done. In what might appear to the untrained eye to be a transparant narrative device, populartajo's jacket fell open at the bottom of his journey, and his gun fell to the dusty ground below. The residents of Zeroville breathed a sigh of relief, then inexplicably returned to their houses and locked the doors to await nightfall.

populartajo (Mafia Roleblocker) Lynched Day 2.

It is now Night 2. Please submit all night actions within 72 hours of this post.

[Erg0]

Bouyed by their recent success and refreshed by 20 hours of sleep, the residents of Zeroville greet the dawning of another day with renewed enthusiasm. It looks like someone has enthusiastically butchered M4yhem overnight, unfortunately.

M4yhem (Townie) Killed Night 2.

It is now Day 4. With 5 players alive, 3 votes are required for a lynch.

[afatchic]

dang that was a quick night. im anxious to know what jon found out last night. since we have a cop and M RB. then there must also be a doctor. so the way i see it as long as the doc keeps saving jon at night, there should be no way we lose. So my idea is to not lynch, so that we don't accidentally lynch a townie, and just let jon get info at night while we still got a doctor. eventually the town will win. so NO-LYNCH.

[afatchic]

EBWOP:

NO-LYNCH

[JonMW]

(Hurray! We didn't have to wait 72 hours!)

Oh no! M4yhem!

OK... my investigation last night, then.
I found someone who's innocent, and it wasn't M4yhem. Considering that M4yhem also wasn't the doctor, this is about as good as it could have gone - excluding the "perfect" situation where the second scum's identified.

Now then... obviously, I shouldn't reveal who the confirmed innocent

is

unless absolutely necessary. So here's how today will work:

No hammering until I say so!

Here's why. If you start to vote for the innocent, then I won't say anything.... until he reaches L-1. Then I will say whether he/she's the innocent, or unknown, and we'll proceed from there, most likely with the lynch. I might not personally think that they are scum, but I won't say that they're innocent unless I've investigated them.


If we have a doctor-claim by scum and you are the doctor yourself, speak up. That will guarantee that we will catch the scum (and win) today or tomorrow.

That just about sums it up. Personally, I think that we're in a very good position to win. I'm just a little disheartened that I didn't pick right last night.

[JonMW]

Oh yeah, I forgot that one. I thought of the no-lynch thing earlier too...

But I think we only get the (effective) extra day if the scum doesn't NK the doc?

[JonMW]

Hang on, I'm just going to play this through on paper. Make sure.

[JonMW]

I mis-remembered. We only get the extra day if we no-lynch twice, and I still don't get the extra investigation (compared to the normal game) if the scum doesn't NK the doc tonight.
So that's a 1/3 chance. Risky!

FoS: afatchic

[afatchic]

even if he kills the doc you still get one more investigation.

[afatchic]

i just want to go the no lynch route because we may accidentally lynch doc, then you die tonight. no lynch and you get at least one more investigation.

[afatchic]

or wait... we have five left, one being scum. if we have a doc claim, then there are 3 with two confirmed townies, and if you investigated one of the other 3 that would narrow it down to two. unless you investigated me last night, i think we can do process of elimination and figure it out. this may not make sense and sorry if it don't. lol