Guns & Roses V [Game Over]

[Hiraki]

I'm pretty sure Akarin/Gamma/Umlaut flip town, sorry.

[Bell]

I'm pretty sure Akarin/Gamma/Umlaut flip town, sorry.

Why are you pretty sure? /:

[Hiraki]

What does that mean?

[Titus]

I'm pretty sure Akarin/Gamma/Umlaut flip town, sorry.

Why do you think two highly contested d1 wagons were t v t?

Why are Gamma and Umlaut town?

Why is Johnny scum?

[Hiraki]

I'm pretty sure Akarin/Gamma/Umlaut flip town, sorry.

Why do you think two highly contested d1 wagons were t v t?

Why are Gamma and Umlaut town?

Why is Johnny scum?

Why? What do you mean why? Is there a rule that this can't happen? Are you really implying this doesn't happen often?

Gamma is the one I'm shaky on. Umlaut is acting like town-Umlaut here which is something that I'd like to test this game. I don't expect anyone to 100% agree with that given how much information I've said though.

Johnny is posting elsewhere and isn't doing anything here except gloating that he's not doing anything. He did this a lot in Day 1 and just stayed under the radar and now he's just openly doing it. I have no reason to believe that kind of gloatpost comes from town other than town that is somewhat playing against their alignment (obviously it's not

flagrant

but it's something).

[Titus]

Usually competing counterwagons mean scum are invested in the outcome. The simplest, but not only way, is that the counter is scum. So I am wondering why you think otherwise and what purpose Akarin could have served scum so they went to that much effort to save him?

Why did you mention Gamma unprompted if you're shaky on that read?

Ugh meta. Fair enough though.

That's a decent reason for scum Johnny too.

You can be town.

[Akarin]

Usually competing counterwagons mean scum are invested in the outcome. The simplest, but not only way, is that the counter is scum. So I am wondering why you think otherwise and what purpose Akarin could have served scum so they went to that much effort to save him?

"Invested in the outcome" is a pretty bizarre interpretation of the end of day one for anyone other than me and

maybe

Dunn.

Rose/Mom slot was really the leading wagon at first if you look at the day end, I was the attempt at a counterwagon to Mom that didn't take off enough.

But yes, I believe my voting there was relevant to my survival and I'd do it again.

Also, I'm a her.

[Umlaut]

@mod V/LA for weekend

, going to be mostly AFK

[Gamma Emerald]

But yes, I believe my voting there was relevant to my survival and I'd do it again.

I don’t believe this.

[Bell]

What does that mean?

I'm wondering if you have good reasons to think all 3 are town or if you just really want Johnny dead rn.

[Tanner]

why is johnny so impossible to wagon? he got to 4 votes, and the wagon collapsed to two, while he literally did not even appear in the thread. if he's red, i wouldn't be surprised with there being at least one buddy in umlaut/dgb.

I'd be fine with voting out johnny as of right now. Not sure about Gamma, Umlaut, Akarin

what do you think about voting him, then? you're not voting anyone right now.

VOTE: momrangal

should be exe-1.

agree on this being a complete coin toss. not as happy with this but i guess i should be listening to my own advice of "a flip is better than no flip".

VOTE: Momrangal

Deadline vote more than anything else.

Okay yeah hella bad vibes on this whole transaction.
Akarin/Umlaut/?

was that first quote included there by accident? if no, i'd like you to elaborate.

I don’t trust the JF wagon AT ALL currently.

similar with this.

[Gamma Emerald]

I just don’t feel good about your vote there
Why not let mom shoot, if you think it’s a town/town coin flip? That still nets a flip. I feel like scum were on her in the end because of her potential to shoot them, and the feeling is that they were on the back end. Honestly thinking on it I’m more sus of Umlaut (Gun slot) than Akarin over that deal, despite Akarin’s mindset being preposterous, because I think the way Gun hopped on was not okay at all.
VOTE: Umlaut

@Hiraki

what does town!Umlaut look like to you? I personally have a sorta-high bar for him based on recent experience, and his play so far isn’t hitting it.

[Dunnstral]

what do you think about voting him, then? you're not voting anyone right now.

I was waiting to see what his response to pressure would be, and letting other things play out. But nothing is happening, so sure.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

[DrippingGoofball]

Tanner asks why the JF wagon collapses and proceeds to call scum everyone that is still on it.

[Bell]

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

[Bell]

I have no strings and Hiraki seems okay to sheep because I think he's town this game.

I'm not sure if the scum team is stone face bus bluffing or if he's just town.
I didn't like who was voting him but then I realized that scum bus their buddies too and there's nothing to defend.

Hopefully, he is/was thread avoiding scum that had no clue what to post.
Hard to know.

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh. While I’m worried about the wagon momentum, I do think JF’s contributions are very lacking.
I’m inclined to vote but tbh I think it might be hammered already? I recall 4 before Dunn, so Dunn + Bell = 6 which would be enough

[Titus]

There's a VC on the last page. JF is at four votes. Yours would be L minus one.

I still feel we should do something that explains the D1 data but I don't want to read.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wdym “do something that explains”?

[Titus]

I want to know why the wagon on A was a thing. I want to know whether the lead wagons were t v s or t v t. I want to know whether the Dunn wagon was RVS or real. I want to know scum's motivations day one.

[Gamma Emerald]

I personally felt like Akarin’s reads weren’t valid for a town POV
You’ll have to ask the others for their reasons on Akarin cos I don’t remember theirs rn

[Hiraki]

Usually competing counterwagons mean scum are invested in the outcome. The simplest, but not only way, is that the counter is scum. So I am wondering why you think otherwise and what purpose Akarin could have served scum so they went to that much effort to save him?

I think this is very simplistic if not even wrong.

Why did you mention Gamma unprompted if you're shaky on that read?

The three were talking to each other. Seemed like there could be discussion who was scum/town.

What does that mean?

I'm wondering if you have good reasons to think all 3 are town or if you just really want Johnny dead rn.

Is there a problem with thinking both?

I personally felt like Akarin’s reads weren’t valid for a town POV
You’ll have to ask the others for their reasons on Akarin cos I don’t remember theirs rn

I agree with this but I don't think Akarin flips scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay
I don’t think you answered my umlaut question

[Bell]

@Hiraki, no. Don't gotcha me. I'm town.

[Bell]

I just want good reasons to be comfortable with those slots.
And rn, I don't have good ones.