Mushroom Kingdom Mafia (Game over!)

[forbiddanlight]

And Nat's case is strange. Either he's a powerful Toad or he's scum. Im the confirmed Toad and I dont get coins. How's that possible? Someone please fireflower him tonight.

Something just occured to me. Nat might not be a good lynch or fireflower. I think if you want to kill him off, you should use a star.

I think fireflowing will be the best solution to win this game. Sadly, the majority of People not confirmed will have to die. Do you agree?

Is this collusive lockdown in action? Or am I just being stupid?

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
Alabaska J (7): farside22, Lord Gurgi, Natirasha, DarlaBlueEyes, forbiddanlight, Surye, mnowax
Natirasha (3): ting =), Alabaska J, Cream147
ting =) (1): Riceballtail
mnowax (1): populartajo

Not voting (5): skitzer, killa seven, Gremwell, ashmite84, somestrangeflea

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[Lord Gurgi]

The problem with using a star is if we have the wrong person use it we could accidentally 'clear' two scum of the same faction.

[forbiddanlight]

The problem with using a star is if we have the wrong person use it we could accidentally 'clear' two scum of the same faction.

So that's why pop taj uses the star. He sure as hell should have enough coins.

[Cream147]

The problem with using a star is if we have the wrong person use it we could accidentally 'clear' two scum of the same faction.

So that's why pop taj uses the star. He sure as hell should have enough coins.

And there was me wanting to do the honours on Natirasha...*cries*

Oh well, I'll just kill someone else if we agree to star Natirasha! YAAYYAYAYAY!

[Gremwell]

If you're worried nat is peach, a flower would be fine, peach cannot die.

I have 4 coins now, I get 2 each night and you gave me 2 today.

so I get 2 coins a night
Luigi gets 1 a night
Yoshi & toads get none,

correct?

[forbiddanlight]

If you're worried nat is peach, a flower would be fine, peach cannot die.

Well, I was kinda hoping that'd go unnoticed, but yes, that's my worry. Thanks for clarifying that though. A fire is fine too

Luigi gets 1 a night

This is true. Dammit brother, why are you such a coin magnet!?

[populartajo]

The following person should claim.
mnowax : we dont know why he has a poisonous mushroom.

If we dont believe their claims, we fireflower tonight*:
Mnowax (by )
Ting (by )
Surye (by )
Nat (by Cream)

Do you ALL agree?

*This brings the debate that wether is good to vig/fireflower to reduce the
possibilities of finding scum.

Gremwell, why havent you given your coins? [/avarice]

[somestrangeflea]

If we dont believe their claims, we fireflower tonight*:
Mnowax (by )
Ting (by )
Surye (by )
Nat (by Cream)

Do you ALL agree?

When did Alabaska slip out of the firing line? Or have you just assumed he's the lynch?

[populartajo]

If we dont believe their claims, we fireflower tonight*:
Mnowax (by )
Ting (by )
Surye (by )
Nat (by Cream)

Do you ALL agree?

When did Alabaska slip out of the firing line? Or have you just assumed he's the lynch?

Lately Ive been thinking that I want to test him tonight. I want him to protect someone, dont know who yet. Since we have all the coins and all the items of the town (hopefully) then we can manage to test his claim with a simple fireflower aimed to a player we dont suspect very much.

[mnowax]

fine.

I am a toad with a poisionous mushroom. i have no coins.

[populartajo]

Since Im pretty sure scum have a list like the following one I think its pretty safe to post it here to help us determine the night actions.

People and their roles. People in bold are prob confirmed.

-skitzer NO IDEA
-Natirasha Apparent Toad

-forbiddanlight Luigi

-somestrangeflea NO IDEA
-Surye NO IDEA

-killa seven Toadsworth

-Gremwell Mario

-Alabaska J Testable Dr. Mario

-farside22 Toad

-ting =) NO IDEA
-DarlaBlueEyes Apparent Toad for his reaction to Ashmite's claim

-Lord Gurgi Gimbo Toad

-Cream147 Toad

-Riceballtail Yoshi

-ashmite84 Toad

-mnowax , CLAIM PLEASE

-populartajo, Toad

So the deal is we give fireflowers to confirmed to kill non confirmed. Agree?

[Gremwell]

Gremwell, why havent you given your coins? [/avarice]

I said earlier in the day I had 2 coins, and it wasn't a problem, then you gave me 2 and a flower or shroom both cost 3 so I really didn't know what was going on.

[populartajo]

fine.

I am a toad with a poisionous mushroom. i have no coins.

What does your poisonous mushroom do?

[populartajo]

Gremwell, why havent you given your coins? [/avarice]

I said earlier in the day I had 2 coins, and it wasn't a problem, then you gave me 2 and a flower or shroom both cost 3 so I really didn't know what was going on.

Oh. Buy a fireflower and pick a target for tonight. Give me the coin that is left.

[Cream147]

The following person should claim.
mnowax : we dont know why he has a poisonous mushroom.

If we dont believe their claims, we fireflower tonight*:
Mnowax (by )
Ting (by )
Surye (by )
Nat (by Cream)

Do you ALL agree?

*This brings the debate that wether is good to vig/fireflower to reduce the
possibilities of finding scum.

Gremwell, why havent you given your coins? [/avarice]

I agree!...ahem, I mean, that sounds good to me.

Lately Ive been thinking that I want to test him tonight. I want him to protect someone, dont know who yet. Since we have all the coins and all the items of the town (hopefully) then we can manage to test his claim with a simple fireflower aimed to a player we dont suspect very much.

Who becomes our lynch for today then? Oh, and if we do that, we should aim it at a player that we do suspect, as I don't believe Alab and I'm not alone in not believing Alab...

[killa seven]

yo pop can i get anough coins for a mushroom?

[killa seven]

Give 1 mushroom to killa seven

Transaction succesful. Cream147 loses a mushroom and killa seven gains a mushroom.

Nevermind.. thanks cream

[somestrangeflea]

So the deal is we give fireflowers to confirmed to kill non confirmed. Agree?

I disagree. We're making an already small list of people who might be Peach

even smaller

.

I think we should lynch people who we suspect of fakeclaiming

before

going on a Fireflower clusterfuck on people who haven't claimed yet, so that we can get rid of people who we suspect

before

we're under the pressure of the kidnap.

But then again, the more nights we wait, the more coins pop has to spend keeping himself alive, which means we can't actually buy as many Fireflowers...

Then again, does pop actually

need

to keep himself alive? We know coins go to whoever kills, so if he dies, the killer is obviously the person with ten gazillion coins (unless it's RBT, in which case we're fucked).

I'll stop second guessing myself. We don't need Fireflowerfest

yet

!

[Cream147]

So the deal is we give fireflowers to confirmed to kill non confirmed. Agree?

I disagree. We're making an already small list of people who might be Peach

even smaller

.

I think we should lynch people who we suspect of fakeclaiming

before

going on a Fireflower clusterfuck on people who haven't claimed yet, so that we can get rid of people who we suspect

before

we're under the pressure of the kidnap.

But then again, the more nights we wait, the more coins pop has to spend keeping himself alive, which means we can't actually buy as many Fireflowers...

Then again, does pop actually

need

to keep himself alive? We know coins go to whoever kills, so if he dies, the killer is obviously the person with ten gazillion coins (unless it's RBT, in which case we're fucked).

I'll stop second guessing myself. We don't need Fireflowerfest

yet

!

Well to be fair, the people who we seem to be fireflowering are people who have fallen under suspicion.

[somestrangeflea]

So the deal is we give fireflowers to confirmed to kill non confirmed. Agree?

I disagree. We're making an already small list of people who might be Peach

even smaller

.

I think we should lynch people who we suspect of fakeclaiming

before

going on a Fireflower clusterfuck on people who haven't claimed yet, so that we can get rid of people who we suspect

before

we're under the pressure of the kidnap.

But then again, the more nights we wait, the more coins pop has to spend keeping himself alive, which means we can't actually buy as many Fireflowers...

Then again, does pop actually

need

to keep himself alive? We know coins go to whoever kills, so if he dies, the killer is obviously the person with ten gazillion coins (unless it's RBT, in which case we're fucked).

I'll stop second guessing myself. We don't need Fireflowerfest

yet

!

Well to be fair, the people who we seem to be fireflowering are people who have fallen under suspicion.

From what I gathered, we're having confirmed townies (which seems to translate into "anyone who has claimed and is no longer (or hasn't really been) under the spotlight") fireflower unconfirmed townies (or "people who haven't claimed (most likely because they have never really been under the spotlight) or people whose claims are questionable").
The main problem I have with this (aside from the exposing Peach thing) is that people are in the firing solely because haven't been suspected widely enough to be forced to claim. I stand firmly against the idea of killing off people who, from the circumstances, haven't

really

been anti-town.

An aspect of Alabaska's claim is testable. We just have him give us all his stuff, then give him two coins and have him give us a mushroom in the morning. Simple.

[populartajo]

This is how I see this.
If we had the oportunity to lynch two or more suspected players a day, would we do it?

Now se suspect :
mnowax for his poisonous mushroom,
Nat the Toad for his non-Toad powers
Ala for his relationship with iamusername and his Dr. Mario claim.
Surye for a quick reread that makes me wonder why did he think the 1-up mushroom could have been useful for scum and why did he always jump in the wrong wagons. Example

I don't like the case on Cream, and I don't feel comfortable putting my vote on him.

However, the Cream wagon is making a lot of sense. I liked it yesterday, I like it more today.

Vote: Cream

---------------

Now, if we follow the no-fireflower strategy, and if we lynch/vig wrong today we would be in the same situation tomorrow, picking our second top suspect and so on, when we have like a gazillion of semiconfirmed players that can pseudolynch in the night people that we dont like.

As for the Ala thing I think we can test his claim.

Thoughts?

[Surye]

Surye for a quick reread that makes me wonder why did he think the 1-up mushroom could have been useful for scum

Huh, the rest of the town seemed to understand. I thought you understood. But I guess you have too much invested in that mushroom to keep your confirmed towness that even the idea that it could be useful for scum makes you freak out and attack me. Don't worry, you're still confirmed either way. Here's how it would work for scum:

1) Lynch a townie
2) Revive a townie, look good, look confirmed
3) have doublevotes, and the townie cannot vote at all
4) ???
5) PROFIT!!

and why did he always jump in the wrong wagons. Example

I don't like the case on Cream, and I don't feel comfortable putting my vote on him.

However, the Cream wagon is making a lot of sense. I liked it yesterday, I like it more today.

Vote: Cream

I like the Cream wagon, it's making him squirm. But it's not time for a lynch on him yet. Probably not today.

Oh, OK, so you're consistent in liking the Cream

wagon

, but you don't like the case on him? Yes, that looks better for you.

No, the wagon was building the case on him. And now TODAY AS IN AFTER THE WAGON the case got convincing, and is now worth a vote.

Geez, what's your problem with me? Looks like you're just looking for an easy vote to avoid Cream.

Wagons serve a specific purpose, they are to generate information and reactions. I like how you completely left out these quotes which provide answer and context to what you proposed.

[Surye]

This is how I see this.
If we had the oportunity to lynch two or more suspected players a day, would we do it?

You're not proposing lynches. Lynches are about the process. It's about the votes climbing. People agreeing. The Lynchee making his defense, and at the last moment, claiming. What you're proposing is the opportunity to have two or more dayvigs a day, which we would never do.


Also, on the note about me, you posted a bunch of D1/D2 stuff, you said your problem with me was recently?

[Surye]

And Alab is still today's lynch. I stand behind this 100%. There is no need to test his claim. There would not be a Dr. Mario, it makes no sense. I'm not outguessing the mod, I'm paying attention to his game. Also, as stated, his interactions with known scum are glaringly obvious.

[somestrangeflea]

fine.

I am a toad with a poisionous mushroom. i have no coins.

What does your poisonous mushroom do?

ooohoooh! I know I know I know!