Mafia 82: International (Game Over)

[MafiaMann]

just flicking through, i must hasten to add:

DON'T SELF-HAMMER. I STILL WANT TO READ THROUGH AND POST THOUGHTS TODAY. YOU NEVER KNOW, I MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SAVE YOUR ASS, IF YOU ARE TOWN.

Anyone hammering while we are in no real danger of deadline, and there is still more to be had out of the day, will earn my emnity.

BM

oooo BM emnity

Dynamo BM may have gotten you killed

[Cass]

Why? Do you think people will jump on this chance to get attacked by BM? Maybe it was a joke, but if so, I don't get it...

[Battle Mage]

Why? Do you think people will jump on this chance to get attacked by BM? Maybe it was a joke, but if so, I don't get it...

he's just being an idiot. Null tell. Sorry about my lack of reading today. Been a busy social day lol.
Tomorrow im off though, so i will look between now and then.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ugh, i just reread Dynamo and im really not sure. Half of me says that he fits the profile of frustrated townie perfectly, the other says that his laziness is scummy, because someone protown would jump at the chance to defend themselves, and that his attempt to kind of breadcrumb is a rather lazy attempt to make himself look good.

Frankly, I don't see how anyone can really CONDEMN his lynch, except for the fact that there are probably scummier people out there. Armlx feels a bit off to me, and Erratus Apathos seems like a good lynch regardless of Dynamo's affiliation.

for the purposes of clarity

Vote: EA

although at deadline, i will hammer Dynamo if nothing changes dramatically in the votes.

Also i just noticed, Pixa replaced Opposed Force. UNLUCKY! lol
To get you started, how about you read the posts of Dynamo in isolation (using the posts by player function) and tell us your thoughts on him?

BM

[Untitled]

looking at the last couple of pages, I don't particularly think that dynamoxi is scum.

I'm surprised that cephrir's hypocrisy hasn't garnered more attention.

[nhat]

Strangercoug has a point about Netlava. He voted Dynamo, yet the three posts he made before the vote are interesting.

I'm getting a newb feel from dynamo's posts that seems geniune enough. The main thing I don't like is how he gave up on defending himself. The rest, I think, can be explained well enough.

Genuine Newb feeling and subtle coaching

Well, it would be great if Dynamo could defend himself *hint, hint*. Dynamo, who do you think is scummy?

Moves on to outright coaching

L-2, and I'm leaning not scum on Dynamo. I'll wait and see what other people think before voting (if necessary)

He feels that Dynamo is probably town, decides to let the town sway his decision.

And then here's his vote post, in it's entirety:

Unvote, vote: DynamoXI

So once he voted:

a) He gave zero reason to why he up and switched his vote.
b) He put Dynamo at L-1


I'm going to

unvote, vote - Netlava

. I'd be okay with either a Netlava or Dynamo lynch, but I think this is something worth looking at before the deadline. Otherwise, I'll put my vote back on Dynamo.

[Cephrir]

looking at the last couple of pages, I don't particularly think that dynamoxi is scum.

I'm surprised that cephrir's hypocrisy hasn't garnered more attention.

I think I know what you're referring to, and if you want to call that hypocrisy then go right ahead. It'd be a pretty lame argument though.

You say you're "surprised it hasn't garnered more attention". Yet there's no suspicion to go with it, not even an FoS. So, I can't quite tell if you actually find it scummy or not. Feel free to elaborate. FOr now it looks to me like you're pointing it out and hoping someone else will jump on it for you.

[StrangerCoug]

Strangercoug has a point about Netlava. He voted Dynamo, yet the three posts he made before the vote are interesting.

I'm getting a newb feel from dynamo's posts that seems geniune enough. The main thing I don't like is how he gave up on defending himself. The rest, I think, can be explained well enough.

Genuine Newb feeling and subtle coaching

Well, it would be great if Dynamo could defend himself *hint, hint*. Dynamo, who do you think is scummy?

Moves on to outright coaching

L-2, and I'm leaning not scum on Dynamo. I'll wait and see what other people think before voting (if necessary)

He feels that Dynamo is probably town, decides to let the town sway his decision.

And then here's his vote post, in it's entirety:

Unvote, vote: DynamoXI

So once he voted:

a) He gave zero reason to why he up and switched his vote.
b) He put Dynamo at L-1

Not to mention that he still hasn't responded to this:

Unvote, vote: DynamoXI

Explain this please. Your last post said you thought DynamoXI wasn't scum.

Unvote: DynamoXI
Vote: Netlava

[Netlava]

I stated my intention in my previous post to vote dynamo. I checked the vote count, and it seemed that most of the people left were fresh replacements/inactives, so rather than wait for them, I decided that it's better to move the game along.

[Cream147]

I stated my intention in my previous post to vote dynamo. I checked the vote count, and it seemed that most of the people left were fresh replacements/inactives, so rather than wait for them, I decided that it's better to move the game along.

But your intention to vote while you were thinking he was not scum is strange in itself. I don't think I did this last page so now would be an appropriate time.

Vote: Netlava

[armlx]

I don't understand this response to what amounts to appeal to emotion.

[Battle Mage]

looking at the last couple of pages, I don't particularly think that dynamoxi is scum.

I'm surprised that cephrir's hypocrisy hasn't garnered more attention.

I think I know what you're referring to, and if you want to call that hypocrisy then go right ahead. It'd be a pretty lame argument though.

You say you're "surprised it hasn't garnered more attention". Yet there's no suspicion to go with it, not even an FoS. So, I can't quite tell if you actually find it scummy or not. Feel free to elaborate. FOr now it looks to me like you're pointing it out and hoping someone else will jump on it for you.

So you think he is distancing from the Dynamo wagon by showing suspicion of you instead, but not following up with a vote?

BM

[Cass]

I don't understand this response to what amounts to appeal to emotion.

What do you mean? Do you mean you don't understand the votes on Dynamo? Or are you referring to something else?

I agree that it's weird how Netlava voted without any explanation (in the post itself I mean), but I'm not sure it's scummy - though I guess that if Netlava at some point flips scum, it would make Dynamo even more suspect.

FoS: Netlava

But I don't think it's worth a vote. His later explanation sounds reasonable enough.

[Battle Mage]

L-2, and I'm leaning not scum on Dynamo. I'll wait and see what other people think before voting (if necessary)

HoS: Netlava

The only reason this isnt a vote is because this could well be a typo. Other than this incident, i really don't see a case on Netlava, so can one of the voters please summarise for me?

BM

[Cream147]

L-2, and I'm leaning not scum on Dynamo. I'll wait and see what other people think before voting (if necessary)

HoS: Netlava

The only reason this isnt a vote is because this could well be a typo. Other than this incident, i really don't see a case on Netlava, so can one of the voters please summarise for me?

BM

Well there isn't a huge case apart from that, that I know of anyway. I just assume it wasn't a typo, and as you said you would vote if it weren't a typo, so I would and have done the same. Admittedly, Netlava's defense, on a reread, does possibly ring that it was a typo.

I don't understand this response to what amounts to appeal to emotion.

You seriously think that Dynamo is still scum?

[Battle Mage]

L-2, and I'm leaning not scum on Dynamo. I'll wait and see what other people think before voting (if necessary)

HoS: Netlava

The only reason this isnt a vote is because this could well be a typo. Other than this incident, i really don't see a case on Netlava, so can one of the voters please summarise for me?

BM

Well there isn't a huge case apart from that, that I know of anyway. I just assume it wasn't a typo, and as you said you would vote if it weren't a typo, so I would and have done the same. Admittedly, Netlava's defense, on a reread, does possibly ring that it was a typo.

I don't understand this response to what amounts to appeal to emotion.

You seriously think that Dynamo is still scum?

why haven't you Unvoted then?

BM

[armlx]

What do you mean? Do you mean you don't understand the votes on Dynamo? Or are you referring to something else?

I don't understand why people are leaving the wagon because of appeal to emotion at L-2/1. I still think Dynamo is scum. His last actions do nothing to help him what so ever.

I can see some reasoning in the people who are switching to Netlava for the contradiction though. Its possible extracting a claim from him as well and then deciding would be optimal.

[Korts]

The BM thing will have to wait, at least a couple hours, but it may be more. University life leaves my computer's batteries low.

Noted, however, is Netlava's strange vote, and I'll be glad to see a proper explanation of it next time I pop in here.

[Cream147]

L-2, and I'm leaning not scum on Dynamo. I'll wait and see what other people think before voting (if necessary)

HoS: Netlava

The only reason this isnt a vote is because this could well be a typo. Other than this incident, i really don't see a case on Netlava, so can one of the voters please summarise for me?

BM

Well there isn't a huge case apart from that, that I know of anyway. I just assume it wasn't a typo, and as you said you would vote if it weren't a typo, so I would and have done the same. Admittedly, Netlava's defense, on a reread, does possibly ring that it was a typo.

I don't understand this response to what amounts to appeal to emotion.

You seriously think that Dynamo is still scum?

why haven't you Unvoted then?

BM

Fine!

Unvote

. But when Netlava tells us the truth, that it was not a typo, then I'll be revoting immediately.

[Battle Mage]

how likely do you REALLY think that is? rofl

BM

[Cream147]

how likely do you REALLY think that is? rofl

BM

...oh, for god's sake, it looks like we're going to be forced down the boring, incorrect, conventional route aren't we. We're going to be forced to lynch Dynamo.

[Lowell]

Back. Will read and get my act together.

[Cephrir]

looking at the last couple of pages, I don't particularly think that dynamoxi is scum.

I'm surprised that cephrir's hypocrisy hasn't garnered more attention.

I think I know what you're referring to, and if you want to call that hypocrisy then go right ahead. It'd be a pretty lame argument though.

You say you're "surprised it hasn't garnered more attention". Yet there's no suspicion to go with it, not even an FoS. So, I can't quite tell if you actually find it scummy or not. Feel free to elaborate. FOr now it looks to me like you're pointing it out and hoping someone else will jump on it for you.

So you think he is distancing from the Dynamo wagon by showing suspicion of you instead, but not following up with a vote?

BM

Well the idea is that I'm confused. So I don't know

what

he's doing there.

[skitzer]

Vote Count Sixteen of Day One

(10) DynamoXI: armlx, hasdgfas, markfg, Korts, Cass, earthworm, raider8169, Lowell, Netlava, Sineish
(2) Netlava: nhat, StrangerCoug
(2) Cass: Veronica13, Pixa
(1) armlx: Erratus Apathos
(1) Untitled: JohnQPublic0
(1) animorpherv1: Cyberbob
(1) Cephrir: Untitled
(1) Erratus Apathos: Battle Mage

(7) Not Voting: cris150, Citizen Karne, MafiaMann, DynamoXI, PimHel, Cephrir, Cream147

With 26 alive, it takes 14 votes to lynch!

Last Post Count Sixteen of Day One

Key:
Green - posted in last 24 hours
Blue - posted in last 48 hours
Olive - Posted in last 72 hours
Red - Posted more than 72 hours ago, prodded
Dark Red - Requiring Replacement
Dark Blue - Vacation/Limited Access

Cass

Battle Mage

Untitled

nhat

Cephrir

StrangerCoug

Netlava

Cream147

armlx

Korts

Lowell

PimHel

Pixa

hasdgfas

DynamoXI

raider8169

Erratus Apathos

MafiaMann

Sineish

Cyberbob

Citizen Karne

earthworm

markfg

JohnQPublic0

Veronica13

cris150

Prodding Citizen Karne and earthworm.
A

deadline

is set for

September 19th, 2008

[raider8169]

I dont see a real case on Netlava. It is kind of odd but with a game this size I dont see why people will not be jumpy at first. I still like my vote on Dynamo.