Mini 663 - Mind Screw Mafia II - Over


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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:35 pm

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Point of Order!

"Last time, things just popped into my fron."
"Fron is head.."
"See. I have no idea what you are talking about."


The Thirtieth Vote Count (aka the "Riding the Bomb" Vote Count):


Vote Count:

iamausername (0)
malthusis (0)
Cyberbob (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
DragonsofSummer (0)
MafiaSSK (0)
Natirasha (0)
Wall-E (1) - Natirasha
Battousai (0)

Not Voting (8): iamausername, malthusis, Cyberbob, DrippingGoofball, DragonsofSummer, MafiaSSK, Wall-E, Battousai

Votes required to lynch: ???


FoS Count:

iamausername (0)
malthusis (0)
Cyberbob (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
DragonsofSummer (0)
MafiaSSK (0)
Natirasha (0)
Wall-E (1) - Battousai
Battousai (0)

Not FoS'ing (8) - iamausername, malthusis, Cyberbob, DrippingGoofball, DragonsofSummer, MafiaSSK, Natirasha, Wall-E

Current Deadline:
???

End Point of Order!
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:42 pm

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Wall-E are you paying attention at all to this game? Any attention at all for god sakes...
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:44 pm

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I don't honestly know what you mean.

I'm assuming the scum didn't need to be told they could talk to each other outside the thread, since that's what scum DO.
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:48 pm

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Oh I see... you weren't responding to me! It makes way way more sense now! Thats my bad cause it was right after my post and didn't have a name in it.
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:50 pm

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Tar: I unvoted Natirasha when he answered my question.

I thought you had UnFoSed for some reason (hence both vote count errors). Oops. Fixed. - Tar
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:53 pm

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Wall-E wrote:
MafiaSSK wrote:
Wall-E wrote:I disagree. I think it's best for those who have roleclaimed to go last.
Why?
So that they have as many chances to call BS on other claims as possible. I see roleclaiming as > flavor claiming.

Can you help me see this the other way?

For future reference, Wall-E has violated no rules with this post. - Tar
Nobody demand a roleclaim from anyone. It's the only thing I can think of that comes close to a rule infraction and I buzzed that cornfield with this post. Just trying to prevent another weird modkill.

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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:38 pm

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Does anybody notice someone has vote blocked Wall-E and Nat?
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:27 pm

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Oh, hey guys. Apologies for not posting in a few days; school's been really really retarded.

Anyway, thoughts on today so far:

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FOS: Wall-E
for some seriously dodgy handling of his vote. His explanation for it feels kinda forced, but that's a gut reaction and I don't like voting based purely on my gut (as it has been proven more often than not to be incorrect).
- It will be interesting to see how this all-daytalk business affects the game.
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:21 am

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I think the rule you didn't break but was warned in purple about was twilight talk. I guess that means we can twilight talk.
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:55 am

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Cyberbob wrote: -
FOS: Wall-E
for some seriously dodgy handling of his vote. His explanation for it feels kinda forced, but that's a gut reaction and I don't like voting based purely on my gut (as it has been proven more often than not to be incorrect).
- It will be interesting to see how this all-daytalk business affects the game.
I admit it was awkward for me, also. I went into today hoping DGB found scum (for two reasons) and when he said "Let's kill X" I instantly hopped onboard. Sorry about that.
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:02 am

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Number One
Very well. I can confirm that DGB does not have the ability "Mafia Fakeclaim".
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:20 pm

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Point of Order!

"Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion that you cannot see the fall ahead of you?"


The Thirty-First Vote Count (aka the "Capitalist Pigs!" Vote Count):


Vote Count:

iamausername (0)
malthusis (0)
Cyberbob (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
DragonsofSummer (0)
MafiaSSK (0)
Natirasha (0)
Wall-E (1) - Natirasha
Battousai (0)

Not Voting (8): iamausername, malthusis, Cyberbob, DrippingGoofball, DragonsofSummer, MafiaSSK, Wall-E, Battousai

Votes required to lynch: ???


FoS Count:

iamausername (0)
malthusis (0)
Cyberbob (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
DragonsofSummer (0)
MafiaSSK (0)
Natirasha (0)
Wall-E (2) - Battousai, Cyberbob
Battousai (0)

Not FoS'ing (7) - iamausername, malthusis, DrippingGoofball, DragonsofSummer, MafiaSSK, Natirasha, Wall-E

Current Deadline:
???

End Point of Order!
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:30 pm

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Right. 22 page readthrough. Here goes.
MafiaSSK wrote:
MafiaSSK wrote:/confirm
EBWOP HI GUIZ
- Rules infraction from Tar.
Tarhalindur wrote:
Original Roll String: 1d15 (STATIC)
1 15-Sided Dice: (1) = 1
The very next post was the first votecount. Therefore Tarhalindur chose his target by die roll. We all assume it's for the vote.

dahil1 came up with the brilliant idea I saw the first time I read this thread. In retrospect, it didn't work, but it was a good idea at the time, and worthy of praise.

I have to reset my silly D1 trap. Those of you who know me know I love game theory, so I had to try the idea to see what would come of it. Cyberbob reacted unremarkably.

Natirasha /confirms and then immediately retracts the confirmation. I dismissed it as a simple reading comprehension mistake (lord knows it's easy to mistake "in thread" for "not in thread", we've all left letters and words off of things before, and though I've yet to do so with my role PM, I can understand it happening), one I can see myself doing,

BUT

...in retrospect it looks like he might actually have been SUPPOSED to confirm in the thread and retracted to make it appear he hadn't. Only one other player did this: Battousai.

I spring my silly little trap when Cyberbob jumps in, and we discuss it. I decided later it would have been better to see if a third or even a fourth joined it, but since it WAS day 1 I didn't really expect a bandwagon to start up, and decided to take my small attack opportunity. Cyberbob again handled the situation evenly.

I make the amazing prediction that an FoS may count as a vote in this game. I turn out to be right (thanks for noticing).

We discuss the secret voter and decide to out him/her. Malthusis claims doublevoter. After this the town kinda muddles about with the rules, trying to probe the environs, as it were.

I'm accused by DragonsofSummer, whom DGB recently confirmed (and then Nat confirmed HER), not for the first time, but for the last time by her, of not reading the thread. (HI DOS)

Jebus does some really weird origin guessing. Temporal Artistry?

malthusis claims that the mafia will claim his origin and he'll have to counter-claim, indicating strongly that malthusis is a valuable power-role.

Nat demands a claim from malthusis.

Malthusis is probably close to caving when Nat does the scummiest thing she can. She refuses to post a lie-detectable sentence, then roleclaims third-party non-sk who's ambivalent toward the town's victory condition.

I stick to Malthusis throughout, never getting an answer.
DragonsofSummer wrote:Scumbaggos? I hardly think the fact that I am unwilling to post your sentence word for word proves anything, even more, I think it proves that the people willing to post it look more like desperate scum than anyone else does, and on top of that
vote DGB
with the amount of effort you have put into a certain other game I am in with you I know you are a better player than the amount of effort you have put into this game. And since you are playing so radically differently in the two I lean towards you being scum in this game for reasons that should be obvious to you (the reasons pertaining to why you are town in the other game).
DoS mentions another game and isn't modkilled. I'm just bitter about High School mafia. :(

I make the comment that Natirasha's weirdness can be explained if she has some kind of third-party win condition.

Natirasha claims Survivor after DoS mentions it.

DGB FREAKING CLAIMS, ruining her role forever and then posts the following:
DGB post 242 wrote:Alright guys, I cracked the game for you.

Today we lynch DragonsofSummer - it's not humanly possible to be scummier, but it's nice that he's still trying.

Hopefully we have a vig that can take care of Natirasha or Jebus tonight. Whichever of the two that survives, lynch tomorrow.

I'm almost surely going to be nightkilled so this is going to be a short game for me. It'll all be in your hands after that.
Analysis to be continued after these messages.
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:51 pm

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Natirasha name-claims.

malthusis advocates a vig of Nat. He also posts a pro-town bit reminding everyone of how many votes DoS has on him/her.

I post saying how I believe Nat's claim. I was thinking with my balls on that one (how not to live your life reference ahoy) and might change my mind before the PBPA is over.

dahil1 mentions that he believes Nat's claim and that he might still be scum. Kinda a wishy-washy post.

DoS finally posts DGB's lie-detection sentence. He also name and origin claims. iamausername points out that the claim is ORIGIN ONLY.
Natirasha wrote:Dahill: My WinCon is survive until endgame. However, I have much more useful abilities than the Star Child last game.
I finally 'win' the argument that those who have roleclaimed should be last to origin-claim when Natirasha posts the order he believes the origin claim should proceed; me first, malthusis last, DGB right after me. I agree to the order, as does malthusis.

In post 294 DoS establishes the context for our in-game relationship for the next few pages.

Jebus makes is infamous "Let's kill DGB" post. I fall for the premise, not knowing what a Lie Detector's ability actually does. DGB had previously posted "Well, I just broke the game for you town." and I for some reason assumed it was possible she already knew who the scum all were.The Jebus bandwagon comes to a head, then DoS starts to come under suspicion.

In post 328 DGB reveals exactly how her power works. This is when I start to doubt DGB, but not as much as I hope she's for real. I continue to support her.

It becomes suspected that the game is nightless, as several roleclaimants reveal that their powers respond at the end of each day.Natirasha derails (in my perception) the bandwagon on Jebus at last with post 349.

In 355 I ask a question and Natirasha's response seems strange. I can't quite put my finger on it, so I sit on the thought until now.

Natirasha seems suspicious after this and upon a re-read I have to say, it's a doubt that lurks in my mind even still.In 356 Nat bloodthirstily states that we should continue with the lynch. Survivor is a rather sub-par roleclaim, Nat.

This fight happens between Cyberbob and DoS:
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DragonsofSummer wrote:I am not accusing you of anything. The timing of your post was awkward, I am not calling it scummy.
If it truly means so little, why do you keep repeating it? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
I make post 366 (which I'm still proud of) which says:

"Speculation isn't scummy. Baseless speculation is. It will be a question of finding out if DoS's speculation was legitimately a problem or not. I think not, but I've been wrong many, many times before. Let's just leave it at "DoS suspects Cyber for X reason" and see what happens from here. I think at this point the two of you are getting WIFOM-ey." - Wall-E

Jebus offers to vote for Tar to test the "ooh scary mod" theory.

Chapter 2 complete. On page 16 now.

After these messages we'll be right back.
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:08 pm

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I just reached the part where Jebus died. He's not the Temporal Artist. Just dumb, it seems.
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:12 pm

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I already mentioned this, but recently Natirasha claimed a second power, the ability to detect either a certain role or check for any role he wants. I'm not sure which. I assume it's like a randomized rolecop: He's told a role the player doesn't have rather than a role the player DOES have. Open to suggestions on this one.

DoS accuses me again of not reading the thread. (HI AGAIN DOS)

I post all this. Not really sure what to make of things, but my #1 right now is
Vote: Natirasha
, for the occasional weirdness discussed above.
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:18 pm

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The End of the PBPA.

If you read all that you're half as bored as I was.
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:24 am

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Wall-e, who did you think was most pushing to see who is the doublevoter?
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:40 am

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MafiaSSK wrote:Wall-e, who did you think was most pushing to see who is the doublevoter?
Me.
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:23 am

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And, yes, each day, I may target someone and see if they have a certain ability.
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:36 pm

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Natirasha wrote:And, yes, each day, I may target someone and see if they have a certain ability.
What makes you think the mafia have a fake claim ability?
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:40 pm

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Wall-E wrote:
Natirasha wrote:And, yes, each day, I may target someone and see if they have a certain ability.
What makes you think the mafia have a fake claim ability?
Because I have the ability "Survivor Fakeclaim", and the mafia had that ability last game. I don't think it's a longshot that it is the same this game.
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:43 pm

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Hm. I think your power might be better spent looking for the mafia's standard nightkill ability, but I won't presume to try to tell you you should do that if you feel confident. I WOULD ask the mod if the nightkill ability would be revealed by your scan.
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:45 pm

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Wall-E wrote:Hm. I think your power might be better spent looking for the mafia's standard nightkill ability, but I won't presume to try to tell you you should do that if you feel confident. I WOULD ask the mod if the nightkill ability would be revealed by your scan.
I can only look for abilities with names and if the last game is any indication, the NK doesn't have a name.
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:45 pm

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'Nother question. Why didn't you confirm DGB for us?
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