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[lenora]

i saw it as a bit OTT/performative - i'd maybe feel differently if they re-evaluated from it or if I saw the test on nepenthe as useful, but i'm getting the sense that koba is struggling to explain their reads/reasons

VOTE: dkkoba

Well I'm fairly certain that Koba is usually this aggressive and I don't think this relates to "struggling to explain their reads/reasons" in the slightest, it's just how Koba plays the game.

it's not the aggression itself that i find scummy though, it's the explanations.. like townreading Chumbo because he doesn't look like he has information

[ben dover123]

it's not the aggression itself that i find scummy though, it's the explanations.. like townreading Chumbo because he doesn't look like he has information

I haven't seen this...maybe I should read but if you can I'd like some quotes.

[Umlaut]

i think ur vibes are town so far chumbo :3

what is "town vibes" to you? i'm not sure how you came to this conclusion so quickly

(also i just read over the rules and saw only 1 bah post is allowed so i'm sorry for my 2 opening posts without content, i just tried to send something that didn't go through so i wasn't sure if it was working)

This is straining my credulity a bit.

lenora, where/how did you form your impression of what "bah post" means?

[lenora]

i think ur vibes are town so far chumbo :3

what is "town vibes" to you? i'm not sure how you came to this conclusion so quickly

(also i just read over the rules and saw only 1 bah post is allowed so i'm sorry for my 2 opening posts without content, i just tried to send something that didn't go through so i wasn't sure if it was working)

i think he comes off as someone who isnt informed basically

yeah ben, it was this one

i think ur vibes are town so far chumbo :3

what is "town vibes" to you? i'm not sure how you came to this conclusion so quickly

(also i just read over the rules and saw only 1 bah post is allowed so i'm sorry for my 2 opening posts without content, i just tried to send something that didn't go through so i wasn't sure if it was working)

This is straining my credulity a bit.

lenora, where/how did you form your impression of what "bah post" means?

Bah posts allowed (limit: 1, free of game related content)

i was going based on that - i assumed it meant posts without game-related content (like greetings), is that not what it means?

[Umlaut]

To answer your question, a 'bah' post is a single post someone may be permitted just after they die, just to say "bah, go town" or something. "Free of game related content" means it can't be used to try and make a case or reiterate accusations or otherwise try to influence the outcome of the game.

I get the impression you've made several

I'm just a newb and I don't understand things

remarks back to back and I'm concerned that you're deliberately playing up that angle. I saw town get burned by that in a game not too long ago.

[ben dover123]

I get the impression you've made several

I'm just a newb and I don't understand things

remarks back to back and I'm concerned that you're deliberately playing up that angle. I saw town get burned by that in a game not too long ago.

Such has happened before? I'd definitely like to see the game.

I'm not sure if I want to derpclear lenora now that I know that she plays on ms. Derpclears are most effective on a genuine newbie, but not very good on someone who has played the game a couple times before.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I am claiming now..... I am the town potato.


ok now that is done
- I don't know how active I will be as I start school again tomorrow. I will try to post something of substance daily if possible depending how much homework I have.

[Zulfy]

test

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Ok just got done reading through this thread

The only person I might of played with before might be Umlaut and that's a big maybe. There a lot of new people here so I am not sure exactly how to read them. There is also not much to work with . Page 5 in the RVS usually does not tell us much about a player in my opinion

Some observation
If Nepenthe is town he would be an easy target for scum to try to eliminate. I am not sure if Nepenthe is an awkward town or awkward scum. As both seem possible at the moment

Also dont know if Umlaut is faking outrage over the newbie posts. I been burnt by newbscum before but I also got railroaded as a new player by scum because I was an easy lynch. I think Umlaut is a player that's worth keeping my eyes on

[Zulfy]

VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Ok just saw Zulify post.... He might of been another player I ran into but I dont remember playing with him before

[Zulfy]

what did you see Zulify post

[Umlaut]

I get the impression you've made several

I'm just a newb and I don't understand things

remarks back to back and I'm concerned that you're deliberately playing up that angle. I saw town get burned by that in a game not too long ago.

Such has happened before? I'd definitely like to see the game.

I'm not sure if I want to derpclear lenora now that I know that she plays on ms. Derpclears are most effective on a genuine newbie, but not very good on someone who has played the game a couple times before.

Micro 956 is the game I was thinking of, where CreativeMod1 pulled this off to great effect (which is pretty impressive given the 2018 join date, but he's mostly active in Mish-Mash and I think it was only his second game of actual Mafia, with his first years ago). He even explicitly said he did this in 2638 after the game had ended. I called him on this and ended up getting eliminated for it while he lived on to win the game.

Also dont know if Umlaut is faking outrage over the newbie posts. I been burnt by newbscum before but I also got railroaded as a new player by scum because I was an easy lynch. I think Umlaut is a player that's worth keeping my eyes on

Outrage is a pretty strong word for what I've expressed here. Does what I'm doing look like railroading to you?

[lenora]

To answer your question, a 'bah' post is a single post someone may be permitted just after they die, just to say "bah, go town" or something. "Free of game related content" means it can't be used to try and make a case or reiterate accusations or otherwise try to influence the outcome of the game.

I get the impression you've made several

I'm just a newb and I don't understand things

remarks back to back and I'm concerned that you're deliberately playing up that angle. I saw town get burned by that in a game not too long ago.

what posts of mine made you feel that way? it's actually pretty important to me that i'm not perceived that way and i'm taken and read as a serious player - after figuring out/adjusting to the board, i went out of my way to read through the rules and i even googled "bah posts mafiascum" because people's reactions made me think i'd gotten something wrong, but i couldn't figure it out

[lenora]

I get the impression you've made several

I'm just a newb and I don't understand things

remarks back to back and I'm concerned that you're deliberately playing up that angle. I saw town get burned by that in a game not too long ago.

Such has happened before? I'd definitely like to see the game.

I'm not sure if I want to derpclear lenora now that I know that she plays on ms. Derpclears are most effective on a genuine newbie, but not very good on someone who has played the game a couple times before.

i don't play on ms? this is my first game on this board. you don't need to clear me or whatever though because i'd probably have the same confusion regardless of my alignment, but i'd appreciate if people are understanding about it

[Zulfy]

There's nothing to derp clear cuz there's no derps there

[ben dover123]

I get the impression you've made several

I'm just a newb and I don't understand things

remarks back to back and I'm concerned that you're deliberately playing up that angle. I saw town get burned by that in a game not too long ago.

Such has happened before? I'd definitely like to see the game.

I'm not sure if I want to derpclear lenora now that I know that she plays on ms. Derpclears are most effective on a genuine newbie, but not very good on someone who has played the game a couple times before.

i don't play on ms? this is my first game on this board. you don't need to clear me or whatever though because i'd probably have the same confusion regardless of my alignment, but i'd appreciate if people are understanding about it

Sorry, I meant mu.


Not really a fan of Fuzzy's "observation" as it's rather...hollow imo by only looking at nepenthe.
Also, I want to see what Chumbo has to say about this when all is done and done. I've seen his scumgame and his towngame is rather proactive'y so I definitely want to hear from him soon.


Pedit:

There's nothing to derp clear cuz there's no derps there

The derpclear I had in mind was lenora saying this:

i wouldn't consider the aggression itself an alignment tell. more-so it felt like people made posts that seemed null or fine to me so i wasn't sure why you called them scummy

do we know how many mafia are in this game or is everything closed?

On a similar note this would apply to nepenthe too but it looks like he's been here for a while.

i was assuming 3 but that'd probably make more sense for 10p.

[Zulfy]

Writing down the scum team and putting it in an envelope

[Zulfy]

Chumbo's in the envelope

[Chumbo]

Warning: the things you read are drunk chumbo, which is when he usually does his best.

PART 1:

i've caught up on backreading (i thought i'd missed way more than i did) and my main take is dkkoba comes off as needlessly aggressive and quick to jump to conclusions that i don't see. i'd normally find that behavior scummy, but i don't know if it's actually an alignment tell for them and i don't want to be wrong about that when i'm not confident. dkkoba, do you have any past games i can look at?

Just like a cup of coffee, it's a great way to start the day. I think aggression early on is a good townie thing, but that's just my 2 cents.

WHY DO I KEEP DOING THAT. i have to figure out the mechanics of this site.

Why do you keep doing what? I'm confused about this post?

i was assuming 3 but that'd probably make more sense for 10p.

I think there could be 3 depending on how many PR's there are.

I am liking this post because you are acknowledging the possibility of pocketing existing in this scenario, although I feel like Ben is just taking a posture about Koba's gut feel about you. But yeah, a wary mindset smells townier to me.

Honestly the whole pocketing thing kinda seems more likely to come from scum to me. It just seems like a buzzword that can make you seem town.

btw we DO get info here^^^ someone mentioend we get no setup info but the existence of daytalk and the wording of said post is a slight indicator of stuff

Why TF are you bringing this up and your masons thing in the next post? No matter what, scum has a PT. Reading it as something else is ok, posting about it isn't. This is actually what caught me scum in my last game. (not exactly but close enough to be annoyed if this is coming from town.)

[Chumbo]

Warning: the things you read are drunk chumbo, which is when he usually does his best.

PART deux:

Aah, I'm kinda excited to see Ben's detective skills in action too. He couldn't do much in the last game we coincided, and everyone there hyped him as town beast, haha.

As a person who has played his town game, I can confirm he is rather townie as town. I don't know what his scum game is like though. If you want to link a scum game, ben, I'll take a look.

but the aggression does exist :3 i got impatient cuz im alive in basically like 6 games so

I don't like this post much. Excuses are next to apologies, which is something you've campained as a scumtell.

i saw it as a bit OTT/performative - i'd maybe feel differently if they re-evaluated from it or if I saw the test on nepenthe as useful, but i'm getting the sense that koba is struggling to explain their reads/reasons

I like this from lenora right after ben unvotes them.

Well I'm fairly certain that Koba is usually this aggressive and I don't think this relates to "struggling to explain their reads/reasons" in the slightest, it's just how Koba plays the game.

Wouldn't this be NAI then?

I haven't seen this...maybe I should read but if you can I'd like some quotes.

:thonk: (sorry, had to)

I'm not sure if I want to derpclear lenora now that I know that she plays on ms. Derpclears are most effective on a genuine newbie, but not very good on someone who has played the game a couple times before.

I think lenora is town.

I am claiming now..... I am the town potato.

How majestic, but I have to CC, I'm the town hash browns. Town potato and town hashbrowns are not possible in this setup. Minor FOS on Mr. Fuzzy.

Also, I want to see what Chumbo has to say about this when all is done and done. I've seen his scumgame and his towngame is rather proactive'y so I definitely want to hear from him soon.

I think she's town. 3 years is enough to forget, and I don't know what the other site is like so it could have barely been applicable. I've generally seen people say they really want to be on this site, so maybe this site is more esoteric than others.

Chumbo's in the envelope

Signed, sealed, delivered. I'M YOUR'S.

[Chumbo]

Only leaning-scum person to me is Umlaut, and that's only gut.

[Umlaut]

what posts of mine made you feel that way?

48 - confused about how to post
50 - asking where to see the setup
57 - misunderstanding "bah post"
70 - how many mafia?

When I lay it out like that it's not really as much as I thought, but it was enough to make me take notice.

[Maduisha]

Hello! I'm free from the stuff that had me busy today, and I've caught up with the thread.

i saw it as a bit OTT/performative - i'd maybe feel differently if they re-evaluated from it or if I saw the test on nepenthe as useful, but i'm getting the sense that koba is struggling to explain their reads/reasons

VOTE: dkkoba

Well I'm fairly certain that Koba is usually this aggressive and I don't think this relates to "struggling to explain their reads/reasons" in the slightest, it's just how Koba plays the game.

it's not the aggression itself that i find scummy though, it's the explanations.. like townreading Chumbo because he doesn't look like he has information

I want to point out here that when Koba says "Chumbo doesn't seem informed", they probably mean it more like "they don't seem informed about the setup/people's alignments." It's a way to say "I don't think these words come from scum mentality", instead of meaning "having information", in general.

Honestly the whole pocketing thing kinda seems more likely to come from scum to me. It just seems like a buzzword that can make you seem town.

Actually, I disagree because it is a concept that exists for a reason. Some people subconsciously feel drawn to townread/make town block with people that agree with them, or people that go out of their way to defend them. And in more extreme cases, players that know each other can get the other's trust easier if they manage to emulate their usual towntells that the other person is used to. Being wary of pocketing can turn you paranoid, but having it in mind can save you from blindly trusting scum. For me, the fact that he brought it up makes them feel townier, because it denotes a skeptical mindset + it's more juicy for scum to latch onto people that see them as towny.

[Maduisha]

About Umlaut's paranoia of Lenora's "newbiecard behavior", I think I pointed it out before in this thread already, so I understand where he comes from, but I liked Lenora's responses when I asked her why she joined this game as first game, and her willingness to learn the site's meta, so I don't think it's purposeful instrumentation of newbie posts. I will still be watching her, but I think she's on the townier so far.

Nep and Lenora are the ones giving me the best town vibes right now, with Zulfy and Fuzzy at the bottom of the null pile because I need more posts to work with.