Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1350 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:58 am

In post 1160, midwaybear wrote:@Pooky, do you think Cakez has used this confidence in opportunistic ways, or are you just finding the general attitude to be off putting?

from my experience in among us with cake!scum, he didn't use his confident attitude to maneuver his scum team into a position in which they could win the game, in fact he kind of cared more about his own survival than his team's odds of winning which led him to more or less wave a white flag and surrender after we flawlessly killed all his teammates and he kind of bussed his SPRs that he needed to keep alive to prevent town from winning. I don't think Cake!Scum would actually be opportunistic or sacrifice positioning to move closer to winning.

Noraa · Post Post #1351 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:59 am

The only reason you see it is because I'm more mad than I was earlier.
It's absolutely stupid that no one can read me until I blow up and then they're all like "oh ok so maybe she is town"

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1352 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:00 am

In post 1161, Something_Smart wrote:So are the people who can read you dumb or informed?

why is every post you make a snipey one-liner? :3

Noraa · Post Post #1353 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:00 am

Why is pooky providing so much content O_o
Thats ... strange

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1354 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:01 am

In post 1165, Something_Smart wrote:Yes.

lol

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1355 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:02 am

In post 1171, Cheetory6 wrote:cake is a decent ways over the null line.
one may even call him a townlean of mine.

i need to hear why cake is town

Noraa · Post Post #1356 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:03 am

In post 1355, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1171, Cheetory6 wrote:cake is a decent ways over the null line.
one may even call him a townlean of mine.
i need to hear why cake is town

I need to hear it too for a reason that I will soon be providing after he catches up.

midwaybear · Post Post #1357 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:05 am

In post 1349, Noraa wrote:this sort of destructive behavior almost never comes from scum.
apparently a way to describe it is: Its subtle. It's not show-y. It's anger. It's suicidal. It's town.

Subtle? What happened to you saying that "you would be ATEing twice as much as scum here"?

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1358 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:06 am

In post 1195, Zaiden wrote:what my team told me here about 'soul masons' was a load of gibberish that made no fucking sense to me.

i cant believe hectic recruited you for his team im going to murder him the next time i see him

Noraa · Post Post #1359 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:06 am

In post 1357, midwaybear wrote:
In post 1349, Noraa wrote:this sort of destructive behavior almost never comes from scum.
apparently a way to describe it is: Its subtle. It's not show-y. It's anger. It's suicidal. It's town.
Subtle? What happened to you saying that "you would be ATEing twice as much as scum here"?

Whats wrong with that?

midwaybear · Post Post #1360 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:07 am

Also, I'd prefer people not to read off of emotions because that sort of shifts meta towards emotion/toxicity to determine alignment which I'd like to stay away from.

pedit: Because you're saying that this level of self destruction only comes from town, but you also said that scum you would be doing this to twice the extent. It contradicts.

Noraa · Post Post #1361 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:08 am

In post 1360, midwaybear wrote:Also, I'd prefer people not to read off of emotions because that sort of shifts meta towards emotion/toxicity to determine alignment which I'd like to stay away from.

pedit: Because you're saying that this level of self destruction only comes from town, but you also said that scum you would be doing this to twice the extent. It contradicts.

uh no it doesn't. AtE is not self destruction.

midwaybear · Post Post #1362 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:09 am

In post 1350, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't think Cake!Scum would actually be opportunistic or sacrifice positioning to move closer to winning.

Wasn't he suggested postgame that he should change that up? I feel like he would be more advantageous with his "confidence" as a result. Are you seeing that in his pushes?

Noraa · Post Post #1363 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:10 am

It is not reading off of toxicity. Why are you discrediting an argument this is extremely valid mwb?
Scum do not ever self destruct like this. Only a townie would set the thread on fire out of anger unless you are someone like a Flavor Leaf in which case things work a bit differently but I'm not a flavor leafy.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1364 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:11 am

In post 1227, SirCakez wrote:I tend to always TR murder so this is me acknowledging my paranoia rn

how are cakez/mwb joined at the hip lolololol

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1365 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:12 am

In post 1362, midwaybear wrote:
In post 1350, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't think Cake!Scum would actually be opportunistic or sacrifice positioning to move closer to winning.
Wasn't he suggested postgame that he should change that up? I feel like he would be more advantageous with his "confidence" as a result. Are you seeing that in his pushes?

I'm not sure he's pushing anything meaningful

midwaybear · Post Post #1366 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:12 am

I just don't like ATE in general. I would prefer people not to become dependent on reading others because they crossed a certain emotional line.

midwaybear · Post Post #1367 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:14 am

In post 1363, Noraa wrote:Scum do not ever self destruct like this.

Maybe, maybe not.

midwaybear · Post Post #1368 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:15 am

In post 1365, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm not sure he's pushing anything meaningful

Who are pushing meaningful things?

Morning Tweet · Post Post #1369 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:18 am

In post 1366, midwaybear wrote:I just don't like ATE in general. I would prefer people not to become dependent on reading others because they crossed a certain emotional line.

i dont like it either but that doesn't mean i can ignore it

You make a valid point that becoming dependent on it just sucks the fun out of the game though

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1370 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:20 am

I keep reading cakez comments that feel like they r just echoing somebody else in the thread and agreeing with them - it's like he's a mirror and not actually pushing something that he's thinking about.

Noraa · Post Post #1371 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:25 am

In post 1369, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 1366, midwaybear wrote:I just don't like ATE in general. I would prefer people not to become dependent on reading others because they crossed a certain emotional line.
i dont like it either but that doesn't mean i can ignore it

You make a valid point that becoming dependent on it just sucks the fun out of the game though

I hate it as well. But people can't read me for shit any other way.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #1372 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:25 am

In post 1368, midwaybear wrote:Who are pushing meaningful things?

i'd say spf, maria, pb, jingle, murdercat feel like they are pushing meaningfully off the top of my head.

what's the point of this question?

Zaiden · Post Post #1373 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:33 am

In post 1223, Noraa wrote:
In post 1195, Zaiden wrote:Hopkirk told me he's less confident about his reads on Morning Tweet and Jake and to defer to Hectic. Hectic liked what Morning's doing in 873 and 904. She knows Murder is good at reading Noraa, and knows Pooky is good at reading Kanna, so the questions are meaningful to him. Hectic reckons based on 656 if Nora is scum, one of the scum would be one of Jake or Jingle because scum tend to be hyper aware of their partner, so she could mistake people commenting on Jake as commenting on Jingle, but it's unlikely she would make the same mistake if Jake is scum and Jingle is town. I understood what he meant about being hyper aware but I didn't get how that affects the likelihood of making mistakes. In this scenario Hectic showed a preference to Jingle being town because 865 and 877 showed he didn't care about rubbing people the wrong way and openly admitted to that, which scum would be more interested in avoiding. I didn't like Jingle's interaction with MWB comparing my wagon with Nora's in 883 and whether that was framed a dichotomy of two choices when I think there should be more options for wagons on the table. Also I'm confused how Jingle came around to a PB townread. They don't explain much here but I assume it's because of PB's support on Nora's wagon? I don't follow the logic of how that led to that particular townread. For Nora's vote on Jingle, I have no idea whether Jingle is a good player and whether they are playing below their standards? Didn't see this was an OMGUS until Cakez pointed that out - but is the OMGUS here alignment indicative for Nora? I wouldn't know but don't get the impression OMGUS would be AI is based on how hard Nora flip flop between their town/scum reads?
OH god wtf is this. Hectic please send help asap if ur buddy Zaidan here is actually town. this paragraph be dumpster fire :/

Hey Nora, Hectic heard your pleas. He has told me something along the line that you're not trying to be too fluffy, sunshine and rainbows early on and its town indicative. He's reluctant to push the idea angry = town for you because he reckon you know that and could fake it although he doesn't really think you're faking it so far in this game. Make of that what you will. But I don't think Hectic's read is really important here because it doesn't sound very logical (because I personally think you have been quite fluffy/sunshine/rainbow in your approach) not to mention what he said hasn't really influenced my thought process. My personal read on you is townie for different reasons which I've given, though you may not be convinced by it becayse I'm trying to work with what I have having played a bunch of social deduction games in real life compared to forum.

For what MWB said about these arguments being weak for Hectic/Hopkirk being my teammates, I did leave out their reads that weren't contextual to the recent convo/developments at the time because my post was already getting bloated. I will look to talk about them over the rest of today. If MWB meant the points I took from them that I raised on an individual by individual basis, that was literally all I have to work with. If this is 'weak' or if people expected more I'm sorry. I'm trying but this is literally what my team has given me, and I've tweaked everything a bit because apparently we're not allowed to directly quote, but I think I've done alright in getting across the original spirit of what Hectic/Hopkirk were intending so that shouldn't be the issue.

Pink Ball · Post Post #1374 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:35 am

In post 1349, Noraa wrote:I feel bad for being harsh to you Morning but I tend to think shitty meta cases on me come from town but the last two times they hit me, they came from scum and I'm not very happy with that.

No pink ball, it doesn't have to rely on meta. Theres a level of desperation and suicidalness that just never comes from scum. You obviously don't see it since I'm a SL for you but this sort of destructive behavior almost never comes from scum.
apparently a way to describe it is: Its subtle. It's not show-y. It's anger. It's suicidal. It's town.

Loved your answer