TM 2021 - Black Flag Nightless

[Shirou]

2) Auro was suspecting Flopz and did a 180 coming to today

3) Auro thinks both me/Lilith are suspects, but never mentioned how obvious it should be from town!Auro PoV that I'm trying to insert Lilith into the townblock to endgame with my plan

2) Oh yes re-evaluation is scummy

3) is just daft

I'm OK with Auro->Shirou->Lilith

Self-vote.

[Auro]

No, out of principle. You go ahead and do the work

[Shirou]

If by any chance I'm wrong on Auro/Flopz, I think there's one scum in Math/AL.

Everyone is already looking towards Math/AL. I don't have anything to do towards that.

I think that if it's town!Auro / town!Shirou and we're just misreading each other, although it's not the precisely most optimal route, it's sure the easiest/quickest, that saves up a lot of time and clear up misunderstandings like "is Shirou scum??", "What did AL mean by scum bussed??", etc.

I recommend self-vote Auro, regardless of alignment.

[Auro]

Seems like you're getting pretty agitated, Shirou

[Shirou]

No, out of principle. You go ahead and do the work

As expected.

My initial plan was to make you vote me, convince 2/3 of Math/AL/Joqi to write me off, and force you to self-vote from a town pov because the unique way scum!me would get limmed if 2/3 of [Math/AL/Joqi] wrote me off, was if I self-voted. Lilith is also near unkillable in this game therefore at that point, for town!Auro the best play would be to follow my proposition on BoP and make me self-vote to defeat tomorrow.

I did expect however, that you would simple say this, but It would sound more incriminating if the above did happen...

[Shirou]

Seems like you're getting pretty agitated, Shirou

This is just like the last Jingle's Large we both played.

We had a wagon on scum, we needed only a few votes, but people were like "but since we've no deadlines we need to discuss until the end of times" when that just gives scum more time to deflect.

It makes me sigh from the depth of my soul.

[Auro]

Your'e only thinking of the short term.

[Auro]

town!Auro the best play would be to follow my proposition on BoP

No, the best play is to convince people to kill the unkillable at some point post my flip.

[lilith2013]

@auro

why would you advocate for my elimination and not the person you think my partner is? I don’t think it’s that much of an exaggeration to say that I would be among the most difficult slots to get an elimination on this game.

unless you think my partner is even less killable than me, which would necessitate either the townbloc having 2 scum in it or shirou being my partner and at that point you should have even more to say about the plan being bad (which you don’t), what point is there in coming after me and not my partner, who should be easier to kill?

[Shirou]

Your'e only thinking of the short term.

Of course it would be better in long-term to let the game play out, maybe even go for AL/Math today as most people seem to want, and just later finish with you/Flopz if it didn't win the game.

It's much more safeproof than this. Am I the kind of person that makes such a boring decision though? No.

I'm not sitting here for 2 ~ 6 more weeks for a game that I feel there's little chance I'm wrong. Time is my most valued asset. The unique thing that you can't really buy, trade or create in this world is time.

I'm fine giving myself a mechanically weaker position if it means it does save me weeks.

If you mean "short-term" as in "you're only thinking of the consequences to this game", I don't care about that.

I don't care about winning as scum anymore and if people would take those propositions more seriously when I'm town, that would be a win in my book.

It's not common for me to make those propositions I think though.

[Autumn Leaves]

Shirou, I'll think about it, and if I decide it's a good idea, I'll vote auro by the end of the today.

[lilith2013]

can we hurry up and put auro at l-1 so he’s forced to reveal who his partner is so I can point out more flaws in his reasoning for coming after me first ty

[Auro]

Yup Auro's insistence that there's no plan after Auro Flopz just makes me think he's scum

?

What's the line of elims after Auro->Flopz?

There's no line past that

it means one of our primary assumptions about the townblock are wrong so we would need to talk about it

And I'm simply arguing for Lilith to be limmed in that scenario, so...?

[lilith2013]

so he’s forced to reveal who he thinks my partner is**

[chennisden]

i guess the reason these kinds of propositions make me nervous is because there's almost always something wrong with them. there's a reason they're there and it's usually because "scum has

this might not be the case here because idk this seems too

soon

to fit said description. but i still think there's no way we finish the game today (irl time).

[Shirou]

town!Auro the best play would be to follow my proposition on BoP

No, the best play is to convince people to kill the unkillable at some point post my flip.

I do believe you're scum so arguing with you is pointless, but if you're talking that I should hedge on the fact maybe you're town and prepare myself accordingly, I disagree.

It's the most optimal plan if you don't value potential wasted time.

I do value time the most.

This is a very bad plan according to my ideals.

[Auro]

I do believe you're scum so arguing with you is pointless, but if you're talking that I should hedge on the fact maybe you're town and prepare myself accordingly, I disagree.

It's the most optimal plan if you don't value potential wasted time.

I do value time the most.

This is a very bad plan according to my ideals.

Why should I stop playing the game because it's against your ideals? There are many other players in the game.

[Shirou]

but i still think there's no way we finish the game today (irl time).

Unhappily.

[Shirou]

I do believe you're scum so arguing with you is pointless, but if you're talking that I should hedge on the fact maybe you're town and prepare myself accordingly, I disagree.

It's the most optimal plan if you don't value potential wasted time.

I do value time the most.

This is a very bad plan according to my ideals.

Why should I stop playing the game because it's against your ideals? There are many other players in the game.

Ok I misinterpreted.

I thought you said that I should be the one to convince you to say you don't want Lilith/Me in your flip.

This one is on me.

[Shirou]

Shirou, I'll think about it, and if I decide it's a good idea, I'll vote auro by the end of the today.

I appreciate it.

[Auro]

Chennis, would you consider scum!Lilith strongly if I and Flopz get limmed in succession?

[chennisden]

auro's at less than e-1 right

[Auro]

You're coming around on AL, which is good

[Shirou]

For what it's worth:

@everyone

If I'm scum here the play is making this proposition, making people not follow on it, saying that I'm giving up on the game later after people reject it, and making myself look townier by acting dejected that you didn't follow my proposition even though I offered my own slot.

However, as town I can act the same way, and the unique way to best verify my alignment here is following my proposition.

[Shirou]

auro's at less than e-1 right

No, at the moment it's:

Auro (2) - Shirou, Lilith

5 votes to eliminate.

The plan is to convince Autumn / Mena with the BoP since they suspect me, and with you we've 5 votes.