TM 2021 - Black Flag Nightless

[joqiza]

Yeah the general vibe of this game is stressing me out so I won't be looking at it again until this evening at the earliest, and I'll be taking my time before I place a vote, like I said.

Whether or not I end up voting Auro today, I have no interest in chaining eliminations on the Firebringer slot. I get that you all think Shirou is Scum Jesus but Firebringer looks pretty decent in light of the Johnny flip. It was actually one of Firebringer's quiet comments that convinced me to switch from Autumn to Johnny in the first place.

@Auro I saw your case on lilith so will respond to that when I get time to sit down with it.

So far my approach has been working well for me and I see no reason to change what I'm doing. I have the responsibility of due dilligence to my slot's predecessor and to my teammates. If you're impatient, too bad. I don't think ~24 hours is really a big ask anyway.

[T-Bone]

Vote Count

Auro - 3

(Shirou, Lilith2013, Menalque)

Flopz - 1

(Mathblade)

Not Voting - 5

(Auro, Autumn Leaves, chennisden, Flopz, Joqiza)

Activity Check - Start of Day

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to remove politely

Deadline: (expired on 2021-02-10 21:00:00)

[MathBlade]

Haven’t read. J wants 24 hours, Auro can’t be hammered. I will check tomorrow after lunch/work. Later.

[Menalque]

VOTE: shirou

[Menalque]

@Mena What makes you confident we'll have enough support for the shirou elim? Even if I go along with it, and math and you will presumably vote there, and he'll self vote, but others didn't seem particularly interested in taking the deal

I need mena to answer this too.

I think that at least (joqiza, lili) are town who wouldn't throw if a deal like that has been done

[Menalque]

and I absolutely think it would be throwing to vote out auro if it's not followed by shirou

[Menalque]

well, thought*

now I'm thinking that shirou!scum is the most likely thing here and it's shirou + (chenn, AL) --> if it's you, that fits a lot with your play in relation to Johnny yesterday and your attempt to reverse on me today lol

[Menalque]

I really hate being miselimed, but I think joqiza/lilith/mena are obvtown enough that we should be able to find one more town and win. So I'm not gonna fight this too much

Going over my scumgame with flopz, he'd had to have improved a

lot

to be scum here. I've also been liking auro's posts lately, for most of this game he's been in his own lane and not really concerned about anyone else, in a way that feels genuine. Where I'm at now is something like

{lilith, mena, joqiza}
{math, flopz, auro}
{chenn}
{shirou}

Link to flopz scumgame, starting from where the memes stop viewtopic.php?p=12203352&user_select%5B ... #p12203352

I would like to hear more specifically Math/AL opinions on me, since I'm trying to hardblock your relatively very easy miseliminations if you're town.

I don't think this is clearing for you at all, in fact I think you're just saving our elims for later. Instead of re-evaluating the bloc, people like joqi will want to elim me/math already.

I was very sure the team was mena/shirou and I was writing up a case, this day phase has made that less likely though, so I'll have to think about things.

I'm not taking this deal, I have to reconsider my reads. Mena playing this way makes no sense if he's a shirou partner, and I'm still confident mena is scum. Auro doesn't look like scum at all to me, he looks like resigned town. Fighting your elim is hard and unpleasant, and I don't think auro is in the state of mind to want to do that.

Of course, it could still be lilith/shirou or something but idk. I'm gonna post the mena part of my case and talk to people.

@Mena What makes you confident we'll have enough support for the shirou elim? Even if I go along with it, and math and you will presumably vote there, and he'll self vote, but others didn't seem particularly interested in taking the deal.

I don't want the day to end before I post my case on mena at least.

I'm really looking forward to this one infinity!

[Menalque]

ehh, actually

VOTE: infinity

[Menalque]

this is the more correct thing to do although shirou is probably the partner

[Menalque]

btw I absolutely will take an elim me today deal with no takebacksies or caveats if I get to dictate that the following two elims are infinity -> shirou, and that if shirou does flip town in that chain that they get listened to for the lylo vote

[Menalque]

@joqiza @lili I would like to know where your heads are both at tho

[Menalque]

also, guess who came second in his blitz tournament? hype!

[Shirou]

Mena, what about doing a chain of infinity > auro in this case?

I'm just tired, the unique slot I can't follow consensus is Chennis, if you say "It's Shirou/Chennis!" I don't know what to tell you Mena. Chennis/Fire interactions + Chennis leading Johnny happened before I even repped in the game.

I can do either Math/AL if this is what people what people want. The Auro bargain is...still up? But now with you getting paranoid there's just not enough people.

[Autumn Leaves]

@Mena What makes you confident we'll have enough support for the shirou elim? Even if I go along with it, and math and you will presumably vote there, and he'll self vote, but others didn't seem particularly interested in taking the deal

I need mena to answer this too.

I think that at least (joqiza, lili) are town who wouldn't throw if a deal like that has been done

Did you even ask them? I'm pretty sure joqiza explicitly said he wouldn't do the deal

VOTE: shirou

[Shirou]

I can do either Flopz/Math/AL

Maybe Flopz is optimal I guess but if Flopz flips town for any reason, limming Auro which is my most confident bet is gonna be harder, which overall seems negative equity rather than someone else > Auro.

For what it's worth I think AL probably...flips town? Not impossible it flips scum but hmm, yeah.

Math...math can go either way but associatives to Johnny points to town as well.

Also, this was what "my actions if it fails will surprise you", because what I meant, but of course didn't want to say, is that I would just follow other people somewhere else rather than trying to keep up dictator.

[Shirou]

@Mena What makes you confident we'll have enough support for the shirou elim? Even if I go along with it, and math and you will presumably vote there, and he'll self vote, but others didn't seem particularly interested in taking the deal

I need mena to answer this too.

I think that at least (joqiza, lili) are town who wouldn't throw if a deal like that has been done

Did you even ask them? I'm pretty sure joqiza explicitly said he wouldn't do the deal

VOTE: shirou

@Chennis

This is what I talked about

I said you'll regret it most likely. There's nothing but chaos from here btw.

But I hate indecision so I guess I'm fine with this.

[Shirou]

I gotta say Autumn, it's pretty survivalistic of you to vote me when you said you were more confident that Menalque was scum than you were on me being scum as soon as I said I could follow Menalque.

You said you did suspect me on the basis of being Mena partner, and now votes me when Mena is turning on me?

[Shirou]

@Mena What makes you confident we'll have enough support for the shirou elim? Even if I go along with it, and math and you will presumably vote there, and he'll self vote, but others didn't seem particularly interested in taking the deal

I need mena to answer this too.

I think that at least (joqiza, lili) are town who wouldn't throw if a deal like that has been done

Did you even ask them? I'm pretty sure joqiza explicitly said he wouldn't do the deal

VOTE: shirou

Question by the way:

If you think I'm scum regardless of Mena, why not simply follow me on Auro to force my hand rather than vote me directly here?

You said you didn't want to vote Auro because Mena was scum regardless of my alignment, but now...?

[lilith2013]

I thought infinity was casing scum!mena, what happened to that

[Shirou]

Menalque, I'm open to discussion on anyone that isn't Chennis today.

I think going for AL is suboptimal due to the pairing mechanics, but at this point you guys have tired me out. Let's do the suboptimal thing if you/Joqi seem to want it. At least we'll have 3 votes rather than now the pitiful Auro wagon because Chennis can't make up their mind.

Which means, if you think I'm scum, it's Shirou/Chennis.

If you think it's Shirou/Chennis we can talk about it, I guess I may get limmed, and my unique answer is that you stop throwing votes and simply vote Auro in the next day.

[lilith2013]

@joqiza @lili I would like to know where your heads are both at tho

I don’t think infinity is town
I think shirou is maybe town but am probably pretty hard pocketed regardless of alignment. I think your earlier assessment of eliminating shirou if his plan doesn’t work is probably the right way to handle his slot.

also, guess who came second in his blitz tournament? hype!

idk what that is but congrats

[Shirou]

I thought infinity was casing scum!mena, what happened to that

Who knows.

That felt like the first "no question asked scummy" post from Infinity to me

It doesn't make sense considering his previous progression that I'm only scum if Mena is.

[lilith2013]

would eliminate today: infinity, auro, math
would not eliminate today: shirou, mena, joqiza, flopz, chennis

[lilith2013]

my team has talked me back from gunning for auro 100% today, I think his read on me is still awful but I’m no longer 100% convinced that it’s because he’s scum. It’s still an awful read but whatever.