Mini 642: Bodyguard 7: (Game Over)

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Seriously, would you respond to the pertinent points on k7's meta? Engage them? Instead of keeping on shouting "k7 is scummy, tsn is scummy for saying 'no, this is how k7 behaves?'"

And the dizzying logic of k7 said the same thing about powerroles that me and bab said, but he's implying that he's a powerrole (doesn't read that way to me), and therefore he must

not

be a powerrole, and is scum. . . does that really make sense to you? Do you truly believe that? I find that hard to believe.

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
jonathantan86 (2): killa seven, TheSweatpantsNinja
BridgesAndBaloons (2): CallMeLiam, TDC
killa seven (1): jonathantan86
TDC (1): Alabaska J

Not voting (1): BridgesAndBaloons

With 7 alive it is 4 to lynch.

[Alabaska J]

I dont think BAB is back peddling, last minute lynch jitters?

Is this sarcasm?

[CallMeLiam]

I think it looked a lot like back peddling to me. It looked like trying to absolve himself of responsibility for a lynch.

unvote

for now, while I re-read jonatanathan and BaB interactions.

[killa seven]

I dont think BAB is back peddling, last minute lynch jitters?

Is this sarcasm?

woah the "dont" should be removed from that sentance. lol

[jonathantan86]

Seriously, would you respond to the pertinent points on k7's meta? Engage them? Instead of keeping on shouting "k7 is scummy, tsn is scummy for saying 'no, this is how k7 behaves?'"

And the dizzying logic of k7 said the same thing about powerroles that me and bab said, but he's implying that he's a powerrole (doesn't read that way to me), and therefore he must not be a powerrole, and is scum. . . does that really make sense to you? Do you truly believe that? I find that hard to believe.

Okay, I've bit the bullet and read two of k7's previous games. Yes he does post sporadically and does not write very much, much like his behaviour here. But in this game, he seems to be especially unhelpful...he doesn't even seem to bother to defend himself.

I still think k7 was trying to imply that he is a power role in that post. What do the others think?

[killa seven]

Seriously, would you respond to the pertinent points on k7's meta? Engage them? Instead of keeping on shouting "k7 is scummy, tsn is scummy for saying 'no, this is how k7 behaves?'"

And the dizzying logic of k7 said the same thing about powerroles that me and bab said, but he's implying that he's a powerrole (doesn't read that way to me), and therefore he must not be a powerrole, and is scum. . . does that really make sense to you? Do you truly believe that? I find that hard to believe.

Okay, I've bit the bullet and read two of k7's previous games. Yes he does post sporadically and does not write very much, much like his behaviour here. But in this game, he seems to be especially unhelpful...he doesn't even seem to bother to defend himself.

I still think k7 was trying to imply that he is a power role in that post. What do the others think?

If i was a power role why would you keep bringing it up tryna get me NK?

No im not a power role thats not what i was getting at.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

K7 ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY THE HELL DID YOU JUST CLAIM NOT A POWER ROLE!!!!!!??????
Don't answer the question. But seriously, really

really

anti-town.
Unless you're scum, in which case, that's fine that you did that.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

As for my "backing off of Jonathan"

It's because all of the games I have ever played in have had really long Day 1s. So i'm not ready for a lynch yet. Jonathan is still one of my suspects, but i have a third biggest suspect.

I think I'm explaining that today.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Also, my biggest suspect is really tricky because they have over the top breadcrumbed a power role this whole game.

I believe that it was all fake breadcrumbing. I'm risking a WHOLE LOT but suspecting this third person, which is another reason why I've waiting for a long time.

The problem with suspecting this person, is that it may get the real cop to claim, which is bad.

I'm not sure if I want all this shit to go down, I'm really hesitant.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Btw, if you (you know who I'm talking about) really is the cop, you did an aweful job breadcrumbing.
it is so BLATANTLY OBVIOUS (at least to me) that you're breadcrumbing cop. I'm positive scum would have found it and NKed you. Given your experience on this website, you should know better.
There's no pro-town incentive for you to breadcrumb so obviously.

I've made my mind up.

I think you're scum.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

I'm making this post later. It's a long one.

[TDC]

Quite honestly, no idea who you're talking about.

[CallMeLiam]

OK, so my initial vote on BaB was for that silly acronym from earlier. Now I'm not gonna unvote because I think he's scum.
He's been highly critical of people's play, and often espouses game a playstyle that seems fairly harmful to the town. Keeping information to ourselves will only help the scum, and now he's once again allowing himself to lurk quietly while he forumlates a big post, meaning we can't possibly lynch him until he does. His actions when I wanted a jonathanatan claim were also highly suspicious, not removing his vote until called out on his backtracking and hypocrisy.
I know he's not everyone's #1 candidate right now, but I think he'd be a good lynch at this point.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Agh I got busy, but cml is worried because he fakeclaimed cop.

That's right, CML was the person I was talking about.

I think he's lying scum.

Notice how he tries to get a bandwagon against me because he knows I'm on to him. The action he would take as the real cop would be to claim right now.

Btw, the real cop (unless its me) shouldn't claim just yet.

I have a huge case that I need to finish up, but he's our scum number 1.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

to explain my actions on jonathan, I still suspect jonathan, but I had another suspect (CML) who I am more suspicious of. When you see my huge case on CML, you guys will understand why I was scared of a lynch occuring before I mentioned all of it.

Can't you guys just

taste

the desperation in

I know he's not everyone's #1 candidate right now, but I think he'd be a good lynch at this point.

[jonathantan86]

Quite honestly, no idea who you're talking about.

Agreed. I didn't notice the cop breadcrumbs though, but will wait for BaB to explain.

If i was a power role why would you keep bringing it up tryna get me NK?

Because I don't think you're a power role. If that is really hinting you're a power role, I think you're scum trying to pass yourself off as a power role. (But most people don't agree that you're hinting.)

[killa seven]

Btw, if you (you know who I'm talking about) really is the cop, you did an aweful job breadcrumbing.
it is so BLATANTLY OBVIOUS (at least to me) that you're breadcrumbing cop.

I'm positive scum would have found it and NKed you

. Given your experience on this website, you should know better.
There's no pro-town incentive for you to breadcrumb so obviously.

I've made my mind up.

I think you're scum.

i bolded the WTF part... we are in day 1 ... wtf are you talking about.

[killa seven]

Quite honestly, no idea who you're talking about.

Agreed. I didn't notice the cop breadcrumbs though, but will wait for BaB to explain.

If i was a power role why would you keep bringing it up tryna get me NK?

Because I don't think you're a power role. If that is really hinting you're a power role, I think you're scum trying to pass yourself off as a power role. (But most people don't agree that you're hinting.)

No i wasnt hinting i was a power role i was saying that while you are explaining reasons to why i couldnt be a power role, you were helping the scum determine whether i was or not one, and it will help them narrow down there list of possible suspects when we go into night. also giving them a strategy to determine wheters other we or not power roles.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Scummy things he did and why I think CML is scum:

1) he tried to get us to abandon my plan:

A spot of really qu

i

ck thinking tells

m

e that if

the

cop

investigates the bodyguard night one, then the win is no longer guaranteed. I know it's unlikely but just wanted to throw it out there.

As such, while I'm in favour of the plan in theory, I don't think we should all be beholden to it.

he explains this as:

CML, what was your working? The percentages won't change because the probability of winning is 100% already and both scum-hunting and cop investigations can only increase that number. (All this is assuming both power roles survive, of course.)

I honestly don't remember my exact train of thought there, it wasn't much though.

this whole things doesn't make sense. I'm sure he'll explain it as "oh! I was trying to breadcrumb" but he definitely could have done it in a way that wasn't anti-town. This was anti-town because my strategy guarantees a huge increase in win percentage for the town. Unfortunately my whole strategy is gone now since I found this scum fake-claiming and we will probably have to have the real cop claim eventually (but not yet).
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2) More anti town behavior:

Also, what you said is

very anti-town

. Please NEVER AGAIN mention if you think someone is townie again. Do not say any things that make someone pro-town until after the mass-claim. Thank you very much. Please tell me if you don't understand.

I understand where you're coming from, but disagree.

it really helps the scum if they know who everyone else thinks is pro-town, especially in this game, especially if someone says one of the scum.
He's trying to get people to be okay with saying who they think is a townie. BAD IDEA!
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3) He's lurking in plain site.

This might be cop-like behavior, but he should know better. He can

still

scum-hunt. I don't have evidence for this point but he has been very repetitive and not made any original cases. The only "case" he made was a PBPA on killa which just talking about killa's lurking. Ironic? Oh! And look at how he scum-hunts:
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4)

He acts extremely carefully with his votes and does other scummy stuff.

He votes for killa7 and then unvotes shortly after on 177 after alabaska says a lurker lynch is bad. Killa wasn't close to a lynch. Sure he was at L-1, but does anybody here think killa was going to be hammered anytime soon?

Seriously, this is over-careful. He also makes a PBPA on killa which is totally unnecessary. Is he trying to get people to vote killa while staying off of the wagon? Then CML says he's

I'm kinda tempted to hammer but I'd like to know more

after alabaska votes killa.

What happened? Maybe it's the kind of confidence he got after 2-3 townies are voting for killa that is safe to hammer now? And what about being scared that killa was close to a lynch? All this makes me think his unvote earlier was a charade. He's just trying too hard to look townie.
This is also a contradiction to himself, which some people consider a scum-tell. (I don't really but still find this behavior here scummy for other reasons).

Post 224 (look at it) he's slightly encouraging me to vote for killa by saying "do you not find [his behavior] a little disconcerting?" He’s trying to killa lynched while keeping his hands clean. Hm. Seems to contradict my other ideas about him being a scumbuddy with killa. (explained later).
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5) omg,

then there’s infamous post 302

.
Let’s look at every single scummy thing crammed into this one post.

OK. I think k7 is acting pretty unhelpfully, but not in a very scummy way.
I think BaB has been helpful and logical enough to put me off him as scum. That leaves TDC who I've agreed with every word from and TSPN who I have no real read on, even at this point although I did like his scummy\anti-town differences post. This leaves jonathanathanatan. I'm not gonna vote yet but the case is the best I think we have and I'd like a claim now please.

What’s with all the 180s? He’s voting for me despite saying I’m not scum. He then recently says he’s certain I’m scum. These complete contradictions are the act of a scum caught in trouble.

He then only is ready to lynch jonathan by process of elimination? What!? That’s not pro-town at all? What about me saying that I wasn’t ready for a lynch the

page before this one!

Again, he’s confidant in attacking Jonathan because Jonny is at L-1. More opportune behavior. (similar like his vote on killa).

Then he ASKS FOR A CLAIM!!!
WHY WHY WHY WHY!
There is absolutely no pro-town reason for that. Especially for the cop. The only thing that can happen from a premature claim is going to narrow down the possibilities of Nks for scum, or force a counterclaim (therefore making CML the NK, or his bodyguard the NK). The cop loses the most from a premature claim. This is not compatible with his cop claiming.
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6)

The way he breadcrumbed is really scummy and not how A cop would do it.

A spot of really qu

i

ck thinking tells

m

e that if

the

cop

investigates the bodyguard night one, then the win is no longer guaranteed. I know it's unlikely but just wanted to throw it out there.

As such, while I'm in favour of the plan in theory, I don't think we should all be beholden to it.

Let's look at that closer:

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A spot of really qu[color=black]i[/color]ck thinking tells [color=black]m[/color]e that if [color=black]the[/color] [color=black]cop[/color]

I
m.......... the
cop

Why the hell did he breadcrumb like this? Anyone who payed the slightest bit of attention and quoting this post could have seen it. It was incredibly easy to see... that was his point. He wanted it really easy to see so that players would think he's the cop and not vote for him.

So maybe you guys didn't think that was obvious. Well, what about...

The infamous posts 96 and 97.

Even dropping hints could be disastrous for power in this game, so I really hope the bodyguard keeps quiet.

EBWOP: and the cop also of course.

holy shit. You can't get more BLATANT than this. He was even talking about droppig hints about being a powerrole. The real cop has to be EXTREMELY CAREFUL to not slip. This slip here is completely fabricated. For crying out loud he even pointed out the mistake ONE MINUTE LATER!
Who here catches a slip they make as a powerrole after only one minute? It doesn't seem real. You make a slip because you're not paying attention. YOu're not going to suddenly pay attention one minute later.
And there's the thing that he's on the subject of slipping. The real cop would be really careful especially when they're talking about slipping. So ridiculous.

After I saw this post I thought CML was a townie trying to draw the NK, but then I realized that he actually breadcrumbed cop. I think CML is scum and his slips were fabricated and not the breadcrumbing the cop should do.


other wierd stuff:

As for BaB's strategy and math (not helped by the use of some tiny text btw) it looks solid enough.

I'd rather not rely on it and scumhunt as much as possible first, but it's nice to know we're at a slight tactical advantage. I'm not too happy that you explained what the the best play for the mafia is

re: the maths of the counterclaim but I suppose it wouldn't have been too hard for scum to work out with all the other info in front of them.

This just (underlined) seems like he's saying "yes I'm townie! I am! We have a tactical advantage.

We!

Get it? Because I'm also a townie. Oh, and I'm sad that scum know what to do."
It's just not something a townie would say.
It's all just obvious stuff to say as if he's trying to look townie.


Possible scumbuddies (I have not done much work on this section yet, as he is not proven scum yet):

CML’s vote on me for not revealing my abbreviations is also odd. As Tdc put it “it is obvious why you refrained from posting your revelation” (post 260). Maybe a way to get the heat off of his scumbuddy, jonathan? I dunno.

He also shows a connection with killa saying “Did K7 ask for a replacement?” (272). I totally missed this, and TDC did too. Maybe caught off by their scumbuddy replacing? However, I earlier said that I didn’t think they were scumbuddies. So maybe I’m wrong.

Again, I did barely any research on scum buddies and this information is really bad here. I just put it because I stumble across them on the same page (11). I also listed these two people because I already suspect them. Again, I don't think it's too pro-town to focus on scumbuddies just yet, but maybe it is.

[BridgesAndBaloons]

for the tl;dr just read the italic statements by the numbers.

vote: CML

I'm actually really confident

post 342, killa I was addressing CML, not you.

[TDC]

Well, I guess it wasn't obvious to me, because I never quoted said post. In fact it seems you were the only one to ever quote it.
Was your earlier vote for him motivated by this as well? (Where you asked what everyone thought about your CML vote?)

I'll refrain from commenting about the case until CML has done so.

Also

unvote

for now.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Well, I guess it wasn't obvious to me, because I never quoted said post. In fact it seems you were the only one to ever quote it.

Yeah, bab's post should probably read "anyone who quoted the post and paid the slightest bit of attention," as opposed to the other way around.

I s'pose I'll wait further until CML comments, but my feeling is that this:

Maybe a way to get the heat off of his scumbuddy, jonathan?

Explains what's going on here.

[jonathantan86]

I agree that this is suspicious.

Unvote

Vote: CML

[killa seven]

I agree that this is suspicious.

Unvote

Vote: CML

Confirm Vote Jonathan