Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[Dumb and Dumber]

Sup Mena!

-Dumbass

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: mena

[Green Crayons]

That makes even less sense :/

It was pretty clear no other CW was gaining traction, I don't get why gamma makes himself look awful trying to defend murder esp if he's bomb

I agree that MC flipping scum is better for Mena-town possibility than if MC was town (as Gamma's non-AI defense of MC-town would look like Gamma-scum TMI),

but Gamma's defense of MC was early-ish of the MC wagon so not necessarily just throwing himself in front of an inevitable elimination

and Gamma's defense of MC is probably objectively verifiable (e.g., MC gets better as town as the game goes on; MC has been pushed early as town before), which is a good scum argument because it's technically correct, but is a scum argument because it isn't AI for MC in this game

also you were there similarly supporting the anti-MC push--so, if you're town, then Gamma-scum isn't alone protecting MC-buddy

finally Gamma's change on MC is inconsistent with his play towards the MC slot given penguin's Post 1450

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: Infinity 324

curious why infinity over Mena, who I think are the two initial candidates for today's elim (but not locked in to just these two for today)

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@skitter and auro I’m really really sorry about D1. I think I got myself stuck in kill mode and couldn’t get myself out. And that’s probably the best way to describe why I felt so off. I think you guys are probably just town though.

I’m not particularly townreading gamma’s slot but I think gc trying to make a gamma wagon possible at eod was kinda suspicious.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

hi mena

[Menalque]

Also @mena i have a p strong townpool and gamma never was townie, so he was p firmly outside of it. And i dislike his interactions with mc/mc's wagon, in that he tried to avoid it for a p long time

Okay, well I can’t answer for gamma and I haven’t read yet but I will

Like I don’t ur logic but I would like to hear more on who is particularly towny and why

Although I’d actually prob rather hear after I read up to see if we sync or not

[Menalque]

Hi lili!

Hi auro!

[Menalque]

Idk my inclination is that scum hardbussed for cred to get into panic room, but that’s purely based on VCs and knowing my own alignment

[Daenerys and Dragons]

meh I don’t really feel that unless you think dumb & dumber is scum

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

like I think there were already several strong candidates for the recruit, so skitter/auro is kind of the only “hardbus” possibility that resulted in viable recruit candidacy.

- Daenerys

[catboi]

VOTE: Infinity 324

curious why infinity over Mena, who I think are the two initial candidates for today's elim (but not locked in to just these two for today)

I disliked his progression on murder after a reread.

Idk my inclination is that scum hardbussed for cred to get into panic room, but that’s purely based on VCs and knowing my own alignment

The advancement of the murdercat wagon was so halting that I strongly doubt that, and the only real candidate for a hardbus there is dumb and dumber, who I find independently towny anyway.

[Dumb and Dumber]

Idk my inclination is that scum hardbussed for cred to get into panic room, but that’s purely based on VCs and knowing my own alignment

Echoing lilith - did anyone in particular strike you as being in that position?

-Dumbass

[Infinity 324]

That makes even less sense :/

It was pretty clear no other CW was gaining traction, I don't get why gamma makes himself look awful trying to defend murder esp if he's bomb

I agree that MC flipping scum is better for Mena-town possibility than if MC was town (as Gamma's non-AI defense of MC-town would look like Gamma-scum TMI),

but Gamma's defense of MC was early-ish of the MC wagon so not necessarily just throwing himself in front of an inevitable elimination

and Gamma's defense of MC is probably objectively verifiable (e.g., MC gets better as town as the game goes on; MC has been pushed early as town before), which is a good scum argument because it's technically correct, but is a scum argument because it isn't AI for MC in this game

also you were there similarly supporting the anti-MC push--so, if you're town, then Gamma-scum isn't alone protecting MC-buddy

finally Gamma's change on MC is inconsistent with his play towards the MC slot given penguin's Post 1450

What was gamma's partner doing if gamma was trying to defend murder then? Almost everyone was on either gamma or murder. Yes scum can position themselves differently, but I just don't see the benefit to gamma defending murder so conspicuously there if the plan was to bus.

Also, penguin came to the conclusion that gamma's progression actually made some sense. Gamma's positions don't always make the most sense on the surface, yeah it changed abruptly but he didn't really make an effort to make it look smooth.

I want to look at the people who were shading murder but voting gamma instead, I'm thinking maybe scum felt that gamma would be harder to push as a miselim once murder flipped scum.

[Green Crayons]

penguin came to the conclusion that gamma's progression actually made some sense

I missed this--where?

[Green Crayons]

What was gamma's partner doing if gamma was trying to defend murder then?

Also are you asking for a gamesolve to suspect Gamma for his interaction re MC?

[Infinity 324]

but, gamma, i did see that you, gamma, started to shift your, gamma, opinion earlier back than i originally though. And, gamma, you did say that the kitty of murder felt flat, gamma, prior to your townread tirade so, gamma, i guess i'll give you, gamma, the benefit of the doubt and say that your, gamma's, progression there is actually ok.

I'm not asking for a full solve, but your argument makes a lot less sense when you realize there had to be bussing fmpov

[Daenerys and Dragons]

VOTE: green crayons

- Daenerys

[Green Crayons]

oh i see. i originally skimmed 1447 as sarcasm because of the repeatedly saying the name "gamma," but i agree with your read of penguin's read

[Dumb and Dumber]

@skitter and auro I’m really really sorry about D1. I think I got myself stuck in kill mode and couldn’t get myself out. And that’s probably the best way to describe why I felt so off. I think you guys are probably just town though.

Issok, I do that so many times >.> another benefit to the whole zen thing for me personally

-Dumbass

[Green Crayons]

I'm not asking for a full solve, but your argument makes a lot less sense when you realize there had to be bussing fmpov

I don’t understand this

If both MC and Gamma are scum, then scum got unlucky that town suspected them both on D1

So ofc there’s a strong potential for bus bc that’s where the thread was focused

[Infinity 324]

Right, so one scum is bussing, planning for murder to get limmed (or gamma?)

So why is gamma hard defending murder and making himself look awful?

[Daenerys and Dragons]

who was bussing? I don’t think bussing was required?

- Daenerys

[Infinity 324]

In a scum!gamma world, everyone was bussing right? Besides me, everyone was on murder or gamma for most of d1 unless I'm misremembering

[Dumb and Dumber]

I want to look at the people who were shading murder but voting gamma instead, I'm thinking maybe scum felt that gamma would be harder to push as a miselim once murder flipped scum.

And where does that lead you? I'd rather we talked about that first, rather than about Gamma.

-Dumbass