Mini 645 - Innocence Falls (Game Over)

[Darox]

Ythill: I did read your post, but to me it just reads as you dismissing his actions as newb town, when they could easily be newb scum just as well as newb town. I think his reactions have been largely more characteristic of scum than town, and as such I think he is a good lynch for today.

The other people I found scummy were nureins and Cass. Cass mostly for the way she pursued Simenon, and nureins because I think he is scummy.

[pacman281292]

Answering questions received; please tell me if I'm missing something:

Darox, could you post some content please. What do you think about your predecessor? What do you think about recent big debates? Why is pacman more scummy than anyone else?

I could ask more questions but I'm sure that you can handle 'posting more content' yourself very well.

Pacman, I'm not sure what you mean with that I am 'gone'. If you want me to post anything specifically, just ask.

I just saw that you was inactive after the "end of Ythill VS sirdan", OK? Sorry if I misinterpreted.

Just for the record, I read L-3 (which isn't even close to a lynching majority) as a statement from someone who's getting worried.

Also, I don't like not wanting to post your opinion for fear of being trapped.

hmm.
You cutted off the first statement; I'm feared because there might be a deadline I didn't see...
And, to the second, I have ever the feeling of being missing something; I'm not enough experienced here, and usually when I attack, I miss something and I get trapped.

@pacman: Are you worried about being lynched? If so, why? What did you mean by "trapped into a misread"?

I'm worried about deadlines, and also because I'm a really bad player under pressure (example: NG624). For the second part, read my answer to kuribo.


I really hate this:

Too. Much. Text.
Seriously.

Unvote, Vote: Pacman

He came out on top of the group of people I found scummy.

hmm...

FoS: Darox

Are you voting me because I made a long post? With that reason, you might as well vote anyone but yourself. "Too. Much. Text." is not reason for voting someone.

[kuribo]

pacman, that has to be the most ridiculous statement (what you said to Darox about why he voted you) this year that didn't come from a McCain spokesman.

[Erratus Apathos]

Goatrevolt has been prodded.

[nureins]

and nureins because I think he is scummy.

I guess that you think I am scummy because you found me scummy, isnt it?
Circular unreasoned arguments are incredibly amazing. It is funny, Ive written so much during the game and so many issues have been pointed out about my behaviour. You could have just chosen one of them and support it heavily...
Read what Kuribo did. Look how fiercely he thinks I am scummy. I laughed a bit with his description, and I mostly think he is biased from the very beginning, but he worked seriously. Your reasons to find scummy someone as Cass and I are funny.


By the way, Cass and I. Cass and I. Cass and I. I just remember it to you. Because your predecessor played with that, gave no reason at all, and when he was asked, he disappeared...now you find both of us scummy. And you give no reasons.

do you also observe scum-pair reasons to find us scum ?
by the contrary, are they independent observations ?
Ill be delighted to hear them, and if you dont mind, both about Cass and Me...

[sirdanilot]

Just for the record, I read L-3 (which isn't even close to a lynching majority) as a statement from someone who's getting worried.

Also, I don't like not wanting to post your opinion for fear of being trapped.

hmm.
You cutted off the first statement; I'm feared because there might be a deadline I didn't see...
And, to the second, I have ever the feeling of being missing something; I'm not enough experienced here, and usually when I attack, I miss something and I get trapped.

HORRIBLE ATTITUDE

The fact that you are a newbie does not mean you shouldn't scumhunt. Not scum hunting is a very anti-town attitude, you should scumhunt at all times if there isn't a jester in the game (and there isn't). This really looks like a really easy way to avoid scumhunting and to avoid to contribute to the town.

Also, maybe a bit irrelevant, but do you know what to do if you don't know if there is a deadline.

YOU ASK THE MOD LIKE THIS: ' IS THERE A DEADLINE?'

@pacman: Are you worried about being lynched? If so, why? What did you mean by "trapped into a misread"?

I'm worried about deadlines, and also because I'm a really bad player under pressure (example: NG624). For the second part, read my answer to kuribo.

Same as above.

B-A-D

Seriously, you have made yourself become more scummy in my book. I am going to give you a little FoS.

FoS pacman

[nureins]

Seriously, you have made yourself become more scummy in my book. I am going to give you a little FoS.

FoS pacman

Sirdan, might you convince me that what I said in post 749, part b is yet correct ? Do not simply repeat your arguments on pacman. I perfectly understand them and I mostly agree with you, so this part is clear. But you will understand that there are many ways to express your suspicions and scumhuntings (if it is so), especially if you are bandwagoned. Maybe is a casuality of fate, but you chose the moment in which pacman and you appear as the ones with more votes to put a FOS on him (and allowing you a further change of vote). And I am not accusing you of changing your vote, I know you have not done, and so on and so forth...

[sirdanilot]

Darox, you ignored my question. Don't ignore my questions.

Darox, could you post some content please. What do you think about your predecessor? What do you think about recent big debates? Why is pacman more scummy than anyone else?

I could ask more questions but I'm sure that you can handle 'posting more content' yourself very well.

Anyway, you found nureins scummy because you think he's scummy? Wow, I really can't top that logic. Let's lynch nureins!

Seriously, you have made yourself become more scummy in my book. I am going to give you a little FoS.

FoS pacman

Sirdan, might you convince me that what I said in post 749, part b is yet correct ?

Great. Thanks for wasting my time by forcing me to check back when you could have just quoted it.

b) sirdan mantains his vote solidly (in that sense, this is good for my view of him. He has not tried to jump over other wagons)

Ah, I've finally found it. What the hell? Where the hell did I jump on a bandwagon? What are you talking about? My FoS on pacman? Oh, come on. I expressed a FoS because he posted something scummy. I can do that whenever the hell I so please. Stop restraining other users by telling them they can't express suspicion or vote someone. It's unbelievably annoying, and also scummy. I am not going to glance over a scummy post, say 'oh but if I express suspicion I'll be accused of bandwagoning', and then ignore it. In fact, it's a tactic scum may use. Do you want me to avoid helping the town? Instead of being useless and call people out on scumhunting, you had better do some more hunting yourself.

Do not simply repeat your arguments on pacman. I perfectly understand them and I mostly agree with you, so this part is clear. But you will understand that there are many ways to express your suspicions and scumhuntings (if it is so), especially if you are bandwagoned. Maybe is a casuality of fate, but you chose the moment in which pacman and you appear as the ones with more votes to put a FOS on him (and allowing you a further change of vote). And I am not accusing you of changing your vote, I know you have not done, and so on and so forth...

'I'm not accusing you of anything, and I don't mean it this way...'

Then why did you even mention this? Seriously, you said something downright anti town, and now you dismiss it too?

[nureins]

Ah, I've finally found it. What the hell? Where the hell did I jump on a bandwagon? What are you talking about? My FoS on pacman? Oh, come on. I expressed a FoS because he posted something scummy. I can do that whenever the hell I so please.

I find very different:

a) commenting scumtells of other people (with that part I agreed)
b) Fossing. Typically fossing includes to consider someone close to a vote.

Then, I wanted to know if your Fossing was substantially based (other scumtells by pacman, your general perception on him, etc..) or maybe, was a scumtell (you could be building a bridge to vote him soon, unbalancing your confrontation)..so I just inquired you a bit...Im not sure how to interpret your reaction...

[Darox]

It's cute the way nureins is trying to give me more evidence to put against him, but no. I have my reasons for suspecting him, and I don't really feel the need to unload them on the thread unless he moves up the ladder.

Lets try and do one thing at a time people and actually get this game moving somewhere.

[nureins]

It's cute the way nureins is trying to give me more evidence to put against him, but no. I have my reasons for suspecting him, and I don't really feel the need to unload them on the thread unless he moves up the ladder.

Lets try and do one thing at a time people and actually get this game moving somewhere.

is that the way to answer my post ? I formulated some questions to you...

[Darox]

No, I am not basing my scum list on possible scum pairs. That would be a pointless endeavor.

[nureins]

No, I am not basing my scum list on possible scum pairs. That would be a pointless endeavor.

This just answers the first point. I also asked you about reasons to find both of us scum.

[Ectomancer]

It's cute the way nureins is trying to give me more evidence to put against him, but no. I have my reasons for suspecting him, and I don't really feel the need to unload them on the thread unless he moves up the ladder.

Lets try and do one thing at a time people and actually get this game moving somewhere.

Unless you have a tactical reason for keeping that case in your back pocket, I'd like it to see daylight now please.

[Cass]

Well, I guess my vote is now on Darox, and that seems a pretty good place for it to be. Scummy scummy posting there. The only part I agree with is that this game needs to get moving.

[Ythill]

Yawn. More baseless assertions from a few people.

Sirdan is actually scumhunting now? A miracle. Or maybe appeasing pacman.

I've seen nothing that affects my opinions very much. Carry on.

[pacman281292]

Just for the record, I read L-3 (which isn't even close to a lynching majority) as a statement from someone who's getting worried.

Also, I don't like not wanting to post your opinion for fear of being trapped.

hmm.
You cutted off the first statement; I'm feared because there might be a deadline I didn't see...
And, to the second, I have ever the feeling of being missing something; I'm not enough experienced here, and usually when I attack, I miss something and I get trapped.

HORRIBLE ATTITUDE

The fact that you are a newbie does not mean you shouldn't scumhunt. Not scum hunting is a very anti-town attitude, you should scumhunt at all times if there isn't a jester in the game (and there isn't). This really looks like a really easy way to avoid scumhunting and to avoid to contribute to the town.

Also, maybe a bit irrelevant, but do you know what to do if you don't know if there is a deadline.

YOU ASK THE MOD LIKE THIS: ' IS THERE A DEADLINE?'

@pacman: Are you worried about being lynched? If so, why? What did you mean by "trapped into a misread"?

I'm worried about deadlines, and also because I'm a really bad player under pressure (example: NG624). For the second part, read my answer to kuribo.

Same as above.

B-A-D

Seriously, you have made yourself become more scummy in my book. I am going to give you a little FoS.

FoS pacman

I didn't say I wouldn't scumhunt. I NEVER did. I just said that I was ever feared of being missing something; blame my bad memory. For example, I didn't catch the reasons of Ecto's attack; kuribo cleared it to me (I'm thanked with it. And I'm feared of it. OK? About the other part...

MOD: IS THERE A DEADLINE?

I forgot to ask it. I can't believe I didn't

I still can't understand Darox's behaviour. He hadn't explained why to vote me. And I'm trying to reread and reread his posts, and find out why did he vote me. I will try to reread him again, and if I fail on finding out something hidden what would explain his behaviour (a sarcasm, a post to other person), my vote would go for him.

[Darox]

Darox, could you post some content please. What do you think about your predecessor? What do you think about recent big debates? Why is pacman more scummy than anyone else?

I could ask more questions but I'm sure that you can handle 'posting more content' yourself very well.

I don't think anything of my predecessors. They had very little impact on the conversation and their only real involvement was the way in which a couple of people tried to go after them for no apparent reasons.

Which recent big debates?

Because pacman is the person I would like most to hang, and he hasn't said anything to change my mind on the matter. I think more can be gained by coming to majority and ending the day than by running around in circles as we have been so far.

[Ectomancer]

It's cute the way nureins is trying to give me more evidence to put against him, but no. I have my reasons for suspecting him, and I don't really feel the need to unload them on the thread unless he moves up the ladder.

Lets try and do one thing at a time people and actually get this game moving somewhere.

Unless you have a tactical reason for keeping that case in your back pocket, I'd like it to see daylight now please.

[Darox]

Unloading my suspicions on someone who ranks third on my scumlist is detrimental to the progress of a game which has already been dragged out long enough.

Unless nureins manages to reach the top of said list, I see absolutely no reason to point out all of the things that make me think nureins is scum. Right now it would just be a distraction.

[Ectomancer]

Allow us to be the judge. Unless you have a better reason, I'd like to hear it today. What makes you believe you will be around later to tell us about it then?

[Erratus Apathos]

YOU ASK THE MOD LIKE THIS: ' IS THERE A DEADLINE?'

THE MOD ANSWERS LIKE THIS: 'NO.'

For future reference, if a deadline is necessary to conclude the day, the topic title will be edited to mention the deadline.

[kuribo]

After 31 pages, and we're still stuck on Day 1, and at a point where almost EVERY SINGLE PLAYER has been analyzed at some point or another, HOW MUCH MORE FREAKING DISCUSSION DO YOU GUYS NEED? You guys have been on Day 1 for nearly TWO MONTHS.

[Cass]

MOD: Can we get a deadline then?

I'm getting really tired of this day. I don't like day one anyways, can we please move on? I've no idea qwhat the vote count is anymore, but I'm pretty sure no one's at L-1

So.

Unvote
Vote: Pacman

Looks like we maybe can get a majority for that. Right, people?

[Darox]

After 31 pages, and we're still stuck on Day 1, and at a point where almost EVERY SINGLE PLAYER has been analyzed at some point or another, HOW MUCH MORE FREAKING DISCUSSION DO YOU GUYS NEED? You guys have been on Day 1 for nearly TWO MONTHS.

This.

Lets seem some blood people.