PBPA of Panzerjager - Part 1:
Unvote: Vote Fuzzy Lightning
Pretty much says Hi guys you guys are dumb for arguing and we haven't gotten anywhere from it then says he needs to re-read the 3 pages tonight to find something interesting.
Why is there nothing to learn from the Korts/Rishi exchange? That is the thread right now. And there is definently plenty to learn from it and worth noting.
2 days RL after his random vote, puts a vote on Fuzzylightning for... what, exactly? Saying he needs to read the last few pages?
Also tries to put some eyes on Korts and Rishi, saying that is the entire thread at that point (not necessarily true) and that's what should be looked at.
I learned that Korts is a very aggressive player. I've seen some differences in Rishi's play and some of his explanation i don't really by because it conflicts with my past experiances with the guy. I also noticed that people didn't get the humor behind Rishi's statement, and along with Korts overreacting, Muerrto also overreacted. I have seen a distinct difference in playstyle from Farside as well, I actually like this style. And there is a few more little things I noticed that don't really matter.
I'm not gonna go into this more because I'm still building my thoughts, but I have definently garnered suspicions and it would not of happened without that conversation, so saying it wasn't important is just silly and scummy. And not having time to reread 3 pages is just a cop out in my opinion.
Uses meta to slight Rishi: "from my past experiences with this guy, it doesn't really fit in" (and let me say it unequivocally here - i despise using meta as solid evidence - consider it, yes, but it's not a case). Calls out Korts for being aggressive, and Korts and Muerrto for over-reacting... but wait!
He finally explains his fuzzy vote: "not having time to read three pages is just a cop out in my opinion" - so what, you've never jumped on at work to post a quick one so that you know where you're going when you get on at home? It's basically calling fuzzy a lurker, without saying "lurker".
Also: "I've garnered suspicions from this argument, and saying it's not important is scummy." Um... what? You finding something suspicious and others not finding it so isn't scummy. It's a difference of opinion.
@Farside, I did notice his join date and his townsperson status, My vote was a starter point and was really being used as a stern warning to say "find the deeper meanings, look harder". Also getting upset is not a scumtell. Also, his reaction seems to be a tad overdefensive so I'm keeping my vote there for now.
@Fuzzy, I wasn't implying that you were stupid, I was implying you were using the excuse of I need to reread as a way to buy more time, letting you mull over an answer while more information is given in thread. 3-4 pages in the game it seems very weird one would need to reread, and I understand life gets in the way occasionally, but just because the conversation is annoying is not a reason to skim. And it seems that it is more that you skimmed that you needed to reread then life getting in the way, like if you just read it through you wouldn't have needed to reread. Again, the conversation went plenty of places, you just have to read deeper.
Explains his vote to Farside, saying "his reaction is a tad over-defensive so I'm keeping it there for now".
So, what did you expect from him? You're voting him because he wanted to re-read - there's not a huge amount you can say to that other than "WTF?"
You then use a huge tangled paragraph to explain your position to fuzzy, which can be boiled down to: "I thought you were buying more time to put an answer together, and waiting for more info, and I think (with no evidence pointing to this whatsoever)you just skimmed and wanted more time.
He then says "the conversation went plenty of places, you just have to read deeper" - but again, I have never seen any explanation of what these "deeper" parts of the conversation were, or what you apparently gained from them, Panz.
***Insert useless off-topic conversational post to Gorrad about Comic-Con here***
Unvote, Vote:Muerrto
No content because your no contributing. To complain about content you must provide content. I'm convinced you are scum between your goading in the Rishi-Korts argument and this whole crap about no content. Only way to get content is to make content.
Umm... what? So by your logic, as soon as anyone starts lurking, their views become irrelevant? You misrep his over-reaction into "goading" of Rishi and Korts, and base your vote on the fact that someone who had provided more content than you was asking for people like you to post a bit more. Way to be.
Muerrto wrote:But you said it twice Rishi. Korts voted me because my name means dead and I'm not dead, hence the LAL. Xtomx voted me because he tried to kill my invincible guy in the last game and bounced off, natch. You voted me supposedly 'random' and then stated twice a reason for it. If it's a joke, why reinforce it so much?
You poke your head in the argument to say boo Rishi, without actually commited yourself to the cause.
So people aren't allowed to have an opinion on something that directly involves them?
Muerrto wrote:
I think that was the point of the move on you, you didn't HAVE a reason but you stated one, twice.
I'm not calling for your lynch or anything but you surely understand we don't your PM so why would you do something that's obv gonna make us distrust you?
Another poke not exactly trying to get rishi lynched and you say the obvious "we don't know your role PM so why would you do something to purposly make us distrust you?" Mafia is a game of lies, dude. Everyone is lying. Town - Scum don't matter. Cop is trying to lie and make us perceive him as scummy but not too scummy or just an vanilla or whatever. Scum is trying to be town. Vanillas are trying to scum hunt and not be viewed as scummy.
Okay, this, this here, stinks. "Everyone is lying". Nope. I'm not lying. I'm pretty sure fuzzy ain't lying. Korts probably isn't lying.
"Cop is trying to lie and make us percieve him as scummy but not too scummy" No, he isn't. Cop generally wants to look as town as possible, IME.
"Vanilla's are trying to scum hunt and not be too scummy" - so they're not lying then? You've just contradicted yourself IN THE SAME POST. And only scum usually need to lie.
Muerrto wrote:
My bad, you said it twice cause you EBWOP.
Personally, I don't think it's a big deal and I think Korts and you both are making too big a deal out of it. Let's hear from some of the quiet ones.
"Oh, my bad I didn't get the info right cause I was trying to pin you as scum. How about we just drop this because we are loosing steam"
Wow. What post were you reading? And this is where your argument about Muerrto "goading" Korts and Rishi falls down - here he is, actually trying to stop the argument, whilst being a lot more civil than you were about the whole thing.
Muerrto wrote:
Um...so there's the quote where he said over-reacted without actually quoting where I over-reacted. Reading truly is fundamental and somewhat necessary in a forum game.
So Panzer voting me after he himself said it is bad, Korts following up without any reason and without obviously even reading the thread is worse.
Also, Panzer, you seem to be voting me because of my lack of content. Can you tell me what's the difference between myself and the multiple other people not contributing? I've actually contributed more than several other people so far so an explanation of your 'I'm convinced he's scum' would be great. On page 5 no less...
Overreacting was the wrong word. You were being low key and was making little attempts at pinning Rishi then jumped off as soon as the wagon started to dissipate. You also Ad-Hom me in this post saying reading is essential in forum games, and Sir, I have been reading and noting a lot more then just about anyone in this game. What did I say was bad, please use quotes. And the difference between you and the lurkers is you have been have been making little worthless half attacks on rishi then disappeared after the wagon was down and then came back and complained about content.
It seems that you are lurking in plain sight.
That bolded section? That's what I politely like to think of as the "pot calling kettle: you're black." section.
Pulls out of his "overreacting" argument, trying to redress it up as something else entirely. Claims to have been reading and noting more than anyone else in this game - so where is all this wonderful info you've been taking note of, Panz? It's certainly never popped up in your posts.
Oh, and no attack is ever worthless, and you yourself admitted Rishi was over-reacting, so Muerrto was perfectly right to take a look at him.
Muerrto wrote:
Also in case anyone's interested Panzer currently has 6 posts with multiple vote changes while I have 8 with only 1 vote, for Rishi.
So I've contributed more content than the person he's trying to call out for lack thereof.
Unvote
Vote for Panzer pending his explanation that way I can use quotes(something he doesn't do apparently) so he can see my vote is not OMGUS.
So what you have 2 more post, that were added after I made that comment btw, and who cares if I have a joke vote and a pressure vote to my name right now? Does the number of votes really matter? And before you start going there, you should really meta me and see if vote hopping is abnormal. But since farside isn't wanting meta reasoning I'll give some more concrete reasoning; you haven't contributed more then have. My post have been much bigger and contained much more actual content then your posts have, which leads back to who the hell cares about post count. And I use quotes when they are necessary, not just because.
Also I love how you unvote, but don't actually vote me then say it's because you don't want to OMGUS, which really means, "I don't want to vote without anyone else's helped and I hope he talks himself into a hole here"
And before I end this post, I would like to say you overreacted and got defensive quite quickly about me saying you overreacted.
"Does the number of votes I've made really matter?" Um, YEAH. You've flip-flopped onto whoever you thought you could pull a tiny case together on. Pre-emptively calls Muerrto OMGUS for waiting for a response before voting him - which would technically be the absolute opposite of OMGUS, since he's waiting for you to post something before he puts his vote down - as opposed to just voting you straight away.
I'll go through the rest later.
