Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[Dumb and Dumber]

@mod can we get a vc please?

infinity i really do not feel town-you here :/
i don't really like your read on mena/gamma or on yyotta, and i don't like the flippancy r.e. potentially misflipping yyotta

~ skitteR

[Infinity 324]

Any response to catboi’s theory on you?

I don't think it's super useful for me to respond to that in depth, except that I voted murder at deadline because I thought he was a better elim than gamma.

Fwiw I think I'm probably out of my scumrange here

Explain

I think I have more difficulty explaining my reads as scum than I've had this game, there's not usually a lot of nuance there. Tbf it's been a while since I've had a substantial scumgame

[Infinity 324]

@mod can we get a vc please?

infinity i really do not feel town-you here :/
i don't really like your read on mena/gamma or on yyotta, and i don't like the flippancy r.e. potentially misflipping yyotta

~ skitteR

My comment there wasn't wrt yyotta, it's was wrt me/mena if you feel like you should elim there

Ofc I could be wrong on mena but I don't think so

[Dumb and Dumber]

ah i see
i read that abt yyotta ....
i'm not sure how much i like that response in that context better tho

~ skitteR

[notscience]

Infinity 324

{2}

- catboi, YyottaCat

Menalque

{2}

- Dumb and Dumber, Green Crayons

Green Crayons

{1}

- Daenerys and Dragons

YyottaCat

{2}

- Not_Mafia, Infinity 324

Not voting

{2}

- Menalque, Salsabil Faria

Votes needed to Eliminate:

{5}

. Deadline for Day 1 is Tuesday, March 2nd at 10:30 AM EDT, or in (expired on 2021-03-02 10:30:00).

MOD NOTES:
Please reach out if you notice any mistakes in my count.

[catboi]

I TR'ed gamma because he wasn't trying to look town and because the emotion in defending murder felt very genuine, some of the logic he used didn't make a lot of sense but that isn't scummy. Scum!gamma has to have a bit more self-awareness there, and realize his defense isn't going to do much there, especially with no effective counterwagon.

Is that the extent of your reason for townreading gamma? because you claimed there were "more solid reasons" and this feels...not solid.

I have more solid reasons to TR gamma that I can go into tomorrow, it comes down to the fact that he doesn't care at all about how he's perceived

Murder I just got some townvibes, I could be wrong there ig

[Infinity 324]

I don't agree

[Daenerys and Dragons]

I don't agree

??? what is this in response to

- Daenerys

[Infinity 324]

That my reasoning is not solid. I may not have articulated it in the best way, but I think it's solid reasoning especially since I'm decently familiar with gamma's meta

[YyottaCat]

Why is the thread title still “Day 1”?

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VOTE: Infinity
I'm convinced again.

I think the mod needs a prod

Totally.

[YyottaCat]

I messed up some quoting there.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

That my reasoning is not solid. I may not have articulated it in the best way, but I think it's solid reasoning especially since I'm decently familiar with gamma's meta

being an asshole /= town
getting emotional /= town

I feel like this is at best something like a nullcase on him, not a towncase - gamma’s reasoning being “not scummy” is not the same thing as gamma’s reasoning being towny.

What did you think was genuine about gamma’s defense of MC? Why are bad reasons NAI? Why are bad reasons from gamma a reason to townread him and not a reason to nullread him (at best)?

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

scum have bad reasons all the time

[Daenerys and Dragons]

I don’t really get this argument of “well scum wouldn’t do X because wouldn’t they have a better strategy than that?”

I mean, you said that about MC not being in thread and then he flipped scum

Scum can and do do things that look bad. in this case scum!gamma would have had a pretty good reason to try to defuse pressure on murder by diverting the wagon elsewhere. MC wasn’t being towny, so what “good” reasons could gamma have come up with to townread MC? Pretty much any reason you use to call MC towny is not going to look good. And gamma was trying to wagon NM so there would have been a specific purpose there to calling MC town.

- Daenerys

[Dumb and Dumber]

i think flipping mena -> infinity -> yyotta flips at least one if not both scum

~ skitteR

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Not really sure if I’m getting my point across very well. I don’t think these are very strong arguments for townreading gamma. Have you read 1642?

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

that was @infinity.

I agree with 1689.

- Daenerys

[Not_Mafia]

This is easy, elim on the Gamma wagon

[Dumb and Dumber]

i think flipping mena -> infinity -> yyotta flips at least one if not both scum

~ skitteR

Just adding that I echo this as well - waiting for Mena to come back (congrats btw? )

-Dumbass

[Infinity 324]

I don’t really get this argument of “well scum wouldn’t do X because wouldn’t they have a better strategy than that?”

I mean, you said that about MC not being in thread and then he flipped scum

Scum can and do do things that look bad. in this case scum!gamma would have had a pretty good reason to try to defuse pressure on murder by diverting the wagon elsewhere. MC wasn’t being towny, so what “good” reasons could gamma have come up with to townread MC? Pretty much any reason you use to call MC towny is not going to look good. And gamma was trying to wagon NM so there would have been a specific purpose there to calling MC town.

- Daenerys

I'm not sure you get what I'm saying. Gamma is competent at scum. People were happy with the murder wagon. It doesn't make sense to put yourself out there with a weak defense, no one is going to buy it and it will make you look worse. If gamma was scum, that means there wasn't a good town CW, and pushing on NM as a CW doesn't make sense because there isn't solid reasoning to call him scummy with. He could've just...null read murder if murder wasn't being towny, and said he's not willing to go to bat for murder. Scum don't do bad plays because "WIFOM lul".

We can ask murder postgame whether he was avoiding the thread or demotivated, I have my suspicions

[Infinity 324]

That my reasoning is not solid. I may not have articulated it in the best way, but I think it's solid reasoning especially since I'm decently familiar with gamma's meta

being an asshole /= town
getting emotional /= town

I feel like this is at best something like a nullcase on him, not a towncase - gamma’s reasoning being “not scummy” is not the same thing as gamma’s reasoning being towny.

What did you think was genuine about gamma’s defense of MC? Why are bad reasons NAI? Why are bad reasons from gamma a reason to townread him and not a reason to nullread him (at best)?

- Daenerys

Being an asshole isn't towny in a vacuum, but antagonizing a widely TRed player for no discernible benefit to scum is

Getting emotional isn't towny, but displaying genuine emotion tends to be

I thought gamma displayed genuine emotion when he dug in his heels against you/penguin arguing against murder's elim

Bad reasons are NAI because they are

They're not a reason to TR gamma, they're NAI

[Infinity 324]

It's kind of poetic, because the last time I rolled scum against murder, I was widely suspected d1, he wasn't so sure, and a bunch of people thought he was scum d2 as a result. I think we're just biased towards TRing each other.

[YyottaCat]

Gamma wagon is a good idea too. For now I'll just stick to Infinity.

One of my posts got eaten by the internet and it was about me agreeing with the Gamma bomb Infinity goon theory.

[Green Crayons]

Gamma Emerald {4}- Daenerys and Dragons, Not_Mafia, YyottaCat, Green Crayons

Here was the height of the Gamma wagon as captured by VCs.

[Green Crayons]

So, tell me who you want to elim off of there, yyotta?